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Solar Cycles
26 January 2019 18:27:40
Blimey it’s a right old IMBY jamboree over on t’other channel, talk about me, mine and I. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Thank goodness it’s far more balanced on here. πŸ™‚

SJV
26 January 2019 18:35:30
ECM says probably cold rain for many on Thursday but the track of the low is interesting thinking further ahead?
SJV
26 January 2019 18:39:42

Not a bad t168 chart. Tantalising!

Look at that energy heading out of Canada though 

Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 18:41:20

 

They have been westerly for a few days now, having switched back around the 21st, then after a couple more days of really weak easterlies they went back to westerly for presumably the final time this winter. More importantly, they're ramping up now rather than increasing really slowly.

That's already knocked the reversal down to the 30hPa level and that too ends in a couple of days.

In theory it's after that that the effects work their way down into the troposphere.

If anything, now that the SSW is over it should increase reliability a bit. There are never any gaurantees with the models though!

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Thanks. I was trying to work out the precise date on this graph and was out by a few days.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 18:44:23

Not a bad t168 chart. Tantalising!

Look at that energy heading out of Canada though 

Originally Posted by: SJV 

T+168 isn't that cold for us but at least it doesn't look as if milder westerlies will be in place for the weekend.

T+192 shows the ridge giving way just a little but still OK.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
26 January 2019 18:55:14

ECM 12z op also fancies snow for many next Tuesday

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2019012612/ECM1-72.GIF?26-0

Originally Posted by: Notty 

 

I wish you can see the temp chart for the ECM!? Do you know how you can and if you can?

12z Ensembles for London: - Gosh the OP has really gone so mild!! 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)


Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

nsrobins
26 January 2019 19:02:25
And it’s the Canadian lobe of PV that has ruined our chance of a meaningful height rise to the N or NE so far. As long as the purple grunge lingers across E Canada spitting out pockets of energy we have little hope of importing the Siberian cold pool. I’m looking for this to recede west in the next week or so otherwise I’ll be in full spring mode.
Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Chunky Pea
26 January 2019 19:02:48

I wish you can see the temp chart for the ECM!?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

doctormog
26 January 2019 19:06:08

 

 

I wish you can see the temp chart for the ECM!? Do you know how you can and if you can?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Like this? https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/devon/temperature/20190129-1800z.html 


Maunder Minimum
26 January 2019 19:14:02

ECM has channel low at 72h 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

ECM has stopped being the party pooper for once and has provided a decent run. 


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 19:21:19

ECM 12z op also fancies snow for many next Tuesday

Originally Posted by: Notty 

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2019012612/ECM1-72.GIF?26-0

It's a horribly complex mix of everything but lots of snow around - just may be a case of too much rain and sleet to allow much settling in less favoured spots.

 

 


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Deep Powder
26 January 2019 19:24:13
This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣
Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)

Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!

JACKO4EVER
26 January 2019 19:43:31

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

well with the track record of this winter you can forgive members for being somewhat rational about next week. It will be cool/cold with rain and snow for some, that’s about all we can say a the moment. 

But I admire your optimism πŸ˜†

Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 19:45:24

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

The problem is the atmosphere isn't cold enough. A classic Channel Low moves up into Arctic air and advects it westwards on its northern flank.  This time it's just a little marginal - as evidenced by the Weather.us charts that show a mix of rain, sleet and snow until the LP centre has moved to our south-east and slightly colder air moves in.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Chiltern Blizzard
26 January 2019 19:45:28

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

 

2003/4 was in the midst of a very, very poor stretch of non-descript winters for southern England that gave virtually no snow of any note between 1992 and 2008.  Winters over the past decade haven’t perhaps been as good as the 80s (and they’ve been some notably poor ones) but they’ve generally been far better - they’ve been at least seven events that I can recall in southern England that exceeded anything in the 1992 to 2008 period. Expectations are therefore far higher as a result!


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
fairweather
26 January 2019 20:12:00

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

Generally more effective when it's cold! 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 20:13:29

 

Generally more effective when it's colder

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Fixed


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



DPower
26 January 2019 20:53:52

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🀣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

What you say is quite right. There is potential if the low is reasonably shallow and runs up the channel to deliver maybe as much as 4 to 6 inches  over some areas. 

The difference with past classic channel runners is deeper entrenched cold from east/ north east with deeper channel low, heavier precipitation and after small moderation of upper air temps but still well inside of marginal the deeper cold cuts back in.

Although things look very promising at the moment at three days out the track of the low could change by 100 miles or more with of course large implications to surface weather. By Monday afternoon we should have a good idea of the track although as we know from bitter experience things can change right up to t0.

Further ahead  post t192 and long range things are starting to look very, very interesting finally.

Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 21:03:33

 

What you say is quite right. There is potential if the low is reasonably shallow and runs up the channel to deliver maybe as much as 4 to 6 inches  over some areas. 

The difference with past classic channel runners is deeper entrenched cold from east/ north east with deeper channel low, heavier precipitation and after small moderation of upper air temps but still well inside of marginal the deeper cold cuts back in.

Although things look very promising at the moment at three days out the track of the low could change by 100 miles or more with of course large implications to surface weather. By Monday afternoon we should have a good idea of the track although as we know from bitter experience things can change right up to t0.

Further ahead  post t192 and long range things are starting to look very, very interesting finally.

Originally Posted by: DPower 

When it's so finely balanced I agree that this won't be clear until late on Monday and possibly, if it's still finely balanced, Tuesday.  Your point about precipitation intensity is spot on: heavier snow will drive the freezing level towards the surface.  Nirvana is a frontal trough stalling somewhere across the southern counties, keeping the less cold air out of the mix.

The extent to which the Low develops will be a major factor. Shallow lows are more likely to slide away and produce less intensive precipitation.  Those who want a memorable snow event will want a deepening low moving along the south coast and stalling to our SE. A more northerly track brings the threat of rain to the south whilst a more southerly track leaves snow confined to the far southern counties.

 


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Arcus
26 January 2019 22:00:05
Monday looks increasingly interesting for our friends in the NW of England as an occlusion wanders through. One to keep an eye on.
Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Deep Powder
26 January 2019 22:03:44

 

When it's so finely balanced I agree that this won't be clear until late on Monday and possibly, if it's still finely balanced, Tuesday.  Your point about precipitation intensity is spot on: heavier snow will drive the freezing level towards the surface.  Nirvana is a frontal trough stalling somewhere across the southern counties, keeping the less cold air out of the mix.

The extent to which the Low develops will be a major factor. Shallow lows are more likely to slide away and produce less intensive precipitation.  Those who want a memorable snow event will want a deepening low moving along the south coast and stalling to our SE. A more northerly track brings the threat of rain to the south whilst a more southerly track leaves snow confined to the far southern counties.

 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Some very interesting replies and some great points/insights, thanks guys πŸ‘


Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)

Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!

SJV
26 January 2019 22:14:10

GFS 18z has an alternative scenario for Tuesday. Just rain for the far south coast with western areas further north at risk from coastal snow showers, drier inland.

edit: Thursday brings heavy precipitation for pretty much all of England and Wales, though snow looks more restricted to high ground on this run. Plenty of twists and turns to come.

Karl Guille
26 January 2019 22:15:14

GFS 18z remarkably consistent with the 12z at 138hrs!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Gandalf The White
26 January 2019 22:33:18

GFS 18z has an alternative scenario for Tuesday. Just rain for the far south coast with western areas further north at risk from coastal snow showers, drier inland.

edit: Thursday brings heavy precipitation for pretty much all of England and Wales, though snow looks more restricted to high ground on this run. Plenty of twists and turns to come.

Originally Posted by: SJV 

The GFS 12z op wasn't promising either: it was the parallel that developed the Low more like UKMO and ECM.  But whilst the two variants of the same model are at odds caution is needed.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
26 January 2019 22:34:25

GFS 18z has an alternative scenario for Tuesday. Just rain for the far south coast with western areas further north at risk from coastal snow showers, drier inland.

edit: Thursday brings heavy precipitation for pretty much all of England and Wales, though snow looks more restricted to high ground on this run. Plenty of twists and turns to come.

Originally Posted by: SJV 

Yes but it will keep chopping and changing until the day before: It shows rain at first but then shows the rain turning to snow later in the day in south at the very least for Tuesday, before it clears off!


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)


Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

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