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tallyho_83
22 January 2019 23:23:24

 

Bloody thing!  The ****** only goes and helps set up a monster beasterly just three days later!

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Well, it has been trying but keeps getting disrupted by LOW pressure systems thanks to the positive NAO and winterstorms off the eastern seaboard of the USA.

Just look at these +384 charts in FI - all throughout the whole of today's four GFS OP runs commencing with the 00z run: -It's like one can't be more different from the other even if it tried. 

00z  - easterly wind).

 

06z - (westerly wind)

 

12z - North easterly wind!).

 

18z - The most recent run: - (Anticyclonic!). - Could be severe nighttime frosts and freezing fog?

 

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The 4 runs today have just about covered everything in FI - FROM BLOCKED TO Zonal westerly, to Cold north easterly, to Anticyclonic etc What next?

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Russwirral
22 January 2019 23:32:23
Weird to think the weekend was looking mild the other day, and now looks like a repeat of today.

Another thing ive noticed - are we slowly moonwalking into the easterly the charts were screaming about last week. seems each run is that little inch closer to that kinda evolution.


fairweather
22 January 2019 23:54:27

Ensembles out. Shame about the Op run but -15C ..........!   Anyway fair amount of support in -8 to -10C range on Feb 2nd. We've had worse.


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tallyho_83
22 January 2019 23:57:38

There is some cross -model agreement @ 240 albeit the positioning of low is different as is the high and the jet stream but looks like the general theme is to push the LP southwards and bring in a north easterly or easterly:

 

12Z ECM CHART FOR 240: - Milder one but same idea! - If you were to run on another day that LP will sink southwards and bring in a north easterly wind.

 

 

GEM @ 240: - Easterly winds - very blocked, with snow showers feeding in from the east daytime temps barely above freezing.

 

GFS OP 18Z RUN @ 240: - Pattern is similar to above. - But more north-easterly from Scandinavia instead of a longer fetched easterly  'Beast from the east' type easterly from Russia like the GEM showed. 

PARA @ 240: - Northerly albeit a slack one

 

Control Looks like the milder of them all: - North westerly)

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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tallyho_83
23 January 2019 00:00:11

Ensembles out. Shame about the Op run but -15C ..........!   Anyway fair amount of support in -8 to -10C range on Feb 2nd. We've had worse.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

 

Apart from this Friday - Apart from one or two mild outliers ALL ensembles are below the 30 year mean for next 2 weeks - btw why do you mean shame bout the OP run? It's the coldest? Why shame?

Or do you mean shame it's a cold outlier and not well supported by it's ensembles!?


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
23 January 2019 00:40:27

In the 19 years of Model Watching I have been doing, I have normally used the 00z and 12z runs.

Cold air is now more limited in the NW side of Europe, and I can clearly note that less cold Westerly winds and SW winds, are more often than not expected to control our Weather dials...

Canada and Greenland and NE to North USA and NE Europe much of the time remain colder than average especially during Stratospheric Warming impacts.

Warm air is catches in by passing Low Pressure short waves and they normally stick around over NE USA, West USA, NE E Canada and SW S Greenland and pass to cross NW and North Atlantic, plus   Central and SE Europe gets cold pools more than in the UK just like NE USA and North USA does.

The Low Pressure Conveyor belt we get the less cold sectors more often than not, we have to understand that staying on the drier and just cool side of North Atlantic Storms in Winter has always been tracking away to our NW or NE.

Mid Lattitude High Pressure in the Central North Atlantic, SW, SE USA- and West of Europe- tends to wander West or moves east,

Any Nor’easter Low’s that do develop, are good over NE USA and over Iceland, but they seldom affect the UK.

The North Atlantic turns very cold in the NW parts, and High Pressure over Eastern and NE Europe in winter’s on some occasions are there often and so is the Azores High to our Southwest in our winter’s, any Zonal North Atlantic PV, does just get to move east when the System’s are steered ENE from West USA and SE mid to S USA they are often giving mild air in South and a mix of cold and mild spells in SW USA plus SE USA as well...πŸ‘πŸ˜€,this flattens the pressure pattern for them but with Eastern Central USA often seeing proper cold spells that then turn less cold the further SE or SW you go in the US of A.

And for Western Europe we see less cold weather- the North Atlan tic Low’s affecting the UK sometines bring short lived cold weather but the overall pattern brings a reduced incidence of cold North or NW incursions, I mean it last just two days, followed by more drier conditions with some wet weather yes but the forecast models often bring in Westerly or NW winds, with the coldest conditions running away to our West or NW or our East- away from UK.

The Steering Flow in the Pacific feeds across some parts of the USA especially in winter Seasons...- And this affects what goes on in the NW Europe and North Atlantic, with cold and snowy spells reserved for those aforementioned areas.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

nsrobins
23 January 2019 06:21:59
Some signs again of something more sustained going to end of Jan but it remains in the jam zone.

Looks like a rinse and repeat for the weekend with another quick Arctic shot on Sunday.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
23 January 2019 06:39:54

GFS, ICON and GEM 00z, clearly have mild and cold Zonality mixed in, Cold Incursions, Cyclonic and Wrap around NW and NE winds- The Perfect recipe for Convective heavy rain and hill snow as well.

SE Tracking PV Low’s, not much blocking going on but the Arctic and Greenland and East Europe High’s also perplexing the cold battens fluxes- clutching in cold air from Siberia Europe and Greenland, Arctic Norwegian Sea, with the NW SE train of Low’s being expect to give cold air partial undercuts in a mixed up and down temperatures and pressure pattern in our side of the Hemisphere.

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By the way upto T120 ECMWF 00z, is doing very well indeed in agreeing with GFS, ICON, UKMO and GEM.

Both cold and less cold regimes are being submitted in the Cyclonic meets the High P, shifting places.  There are 50/50 energy balances between the mass of Jetstream waves- Sycing very well indeed. 

Quite A normal progressive Zonal Low Pressure train from NE USA NW and North Atlantic to the UK and West Central N Europe SE Europe direction pattern, 00z ECMWF and all Four I checked appear to keep the UK in line for regular cold airmass sustainment- cold air looks set to stay but some less cold incursions as well.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

White Meadows
23 January 2019 06:58:33
ECM looks great for Scotland in FI

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 

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Ally Pally Snowman
23 January 2019 07:00:22

Lots of marginal Snow events on offer over the next 10 days or so. Significant cold and HLB remain elusive. 


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Sevendust
23 January 2019 07:29:19

Lots of marginal Snow events on offer over the next 10 days or so. Significant cold and HLB remain elusive. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Accurate summary 

DEW
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23 January 2019 07:38:37

Chances of this?
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.gif
For here, close to the perfect synoptics.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Another 10-day teaser


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Devonian
23 January 2019 07:42:14

Some signs again of something more sustained going to end of Jan but it remains in the jam zone.
Looks like a rinse and repeat for the weekend with another quick Arctic shot on Sunday.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

The great cold and snowy T+240 - T+384 winter of 2018/19 continues

doctormog
23 January 2019 07:44:05

Yes, looking at the 0-10 day period, the colder than average outlook continues with a milder blip on Friday and snow potential in quite a few places. Beyond then? Mild, cold, easterly, northerly, zonal? Take your pick (although colder than average is still currently favoured).

P.S. Seemingly less wintry in parts of the SW. 


Devonian
23 January 2019 07:54:29

Yes, looking at the 0-10 day period, the colder than average outlook continues with a milder blip on Friday and snow potential in quite a few places. Beyond then? Mild, cold, easterly, northerly, zonal? Take your pick (although colder than average is still currently favoured).

P.S. Seemongly less wintry in parts of the SW. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Indeed, one decent frost here this year. But, mine was more an observation on what the (yes, FI) models have been consistently predicting - a notably cold winter.

I do agree its cold (ish) atm.

Joe Bloggs
23 January 2019 08:04:53

 

The great cold and snowy T+240 - T+384 winter of 2018/19 continues

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

For some.. T+0 ! :-) 

Outlook continues to look largely cold this morning. Agree nothing especially spectacular on offer as it stands. 

Probably more events similar to yesterday. 

Arcus
23 January 2019 08:06:42

Yes, looking at the 0-10 day period, the colder than average outlook continues with a milder blip on Friday and snow potential in quite a few places. Beyond then? Mild, cold, easterly, northerly, zonal? Take your pick (although colder than average is still currently favoured).

P.S. Seemongly less wintry in parts of the SW. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Which had originally been modelled at being a 2 to 3 day mild spell. Yet again the promise of a decent mild spell is cruelly snatched away by the models at the last minute!


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roadrunnerajn
23 January 2019 08:09:19

Yes, looking at the 0-10 day period, the colder than average outlook continues with a milder blip on Friday and snow potential in quite a few places. Beyond then? Mild, cold, easterly, northerly, zonal? Take your pick (although colder than average is still currently favoured).

P.S. Seemongly less wintry in parts of the SW. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Well noted.. that’s why I’m going to Peak District twice in February 😁

The present setup does not treat the SW very kindly when you want something wintery. Rain and hail is what is on the menu in a NW pattern.


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Phil G
23 January 2019 08:26:45
The only things that are likely at the moment are the milder interlude over the weekend then back to chilly weather.

There are so many little features progged to the north of us, and some are not "behaving" as modelled.

All leads to variation of the same theme, but the finer details at this stage are pointless.

More runs needed!

Solar Cycles
23 January 2019 08:27:56
As others have said nothing in the way of deep cold and HLB but a case of more of the same, which isn’t all that bad IMBY.😎
Shropshire
23 January 2019 08:31:48

 

For some.. T+0 ! :-) 

Outlook continues to look largely cold this morning. Agree nothing especially spectacular on offer as it stands. 

Probably more events similar to yesterday. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Yes I'd say that's the best we could squeeze out of this, another ECM mean that is better than the OP at day 10, but as ever, it's day 10..


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Brian Gaze
23 January 2019 08:36:42

The European sinkhole remains in place but HLB is still not on offer to partner it. You would expect one of those factors to change in the next few weeks.


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Solar Cycles
23 January 2019 08:36:50

 

Yes I'd say that's the best we could squeeze out of this, another ECM mean that is better than the OP at day 10, but as ever, it's day 10..

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Lol, I think most here have grown accustomed to ECM day 10 carrot danglers. Even though I’ve snow outside it’s disappointing to see how little the SSW has effected our tiny part of the world with the Tropospheric response  once again being a thorn in our side. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another set up similar to last year ( albeit less cold ) with the deep cold uppers arriving in spring.

soperman
23 January 2019 09:28:09

The European sinkhole remains in place but HLB is still not on offer to partner it. You would expect one of those factors to change in the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 

For me it is an AH driven winter and I cannot see any signs of it changing. The jet is relentless in the mid lats and does not dive South enough.

Successive short waves smash through the Greenie High even when its at 1055mb!  Astonishing really.

 


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The Beast from the East
23 January 2019 09:42:57

The European sinkhole remains in place but HLB is still not on offer to partner it. You would expect one of those factors to change in the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

But the clock is ticking. No doubt the perfect synoptics will arrive by the end of Feb again. But last year we were lucky with the extreme cold uppers to counteract the longer days


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