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Robertski
20 January 2019 21:28:16

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The cold was always forecast for the middle January onwards, as is highlighted in the extended outlook from the 1st of January

“UK Outlook for Wednesday 16 Jan 2019 to Wednesday 30 Jan 2019:

It is likely start unsettled across most areas at first, with perhaps heavy rain and gales at times, especially in the north, where severe gales are possible. Hill snow is also possible, as well as snow to lower levels at times in the north. By the third week of January there is then an increased likelihood of a change to much colder weather generally, bringing an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow. These conditions may then continue to the end of the month, but some milder, wet and windy interludes also remain possible throughout this period.”

Considering the timescale and model uncertainty that was a pretty good call (including the low level snow there has been in parts of the north).

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

If you go back through most of their extended outlooks, it's been pretty much the same from the METO, jam tomorrow. 

 

Polar Low
20 January 2019 21:29:40

Apologies 

 

 

I was following up the point the OP made about the sharp temperature gradient just off the coast of Newfoundland, when I said it wasn't that different to the 0Z, rather than considering our own neck of the woods.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

Polar Low
20 January 2019 21:32:25

You get those charts by the year below link Tally just change date at top

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?mode=1&month=1&day=29&year=2004&map=0&type=ncep

 

 

 

What we want is for that frontal system on Monday night into Tuesday is to stall so the colder air can undercut this and turn any rain to snow more quicker. I guess that we would also need the precipitation to be more intense too for this to happen. Not quite the thundersnow we had back end of Jan 2004 or was in 2003? I remember end of Jan (either 03 or 04 when there was a thundersnow event for the south!? Pretty sure it was on a Monday night!? Can anyone remember this? Could this event Monday night into Tuesday be a thundersnow event?

We had temps of 5c and then temps fell in rain and rain turned to snow and then the snow became power dry as temperatures fell to -2c behind the front. The snow started to stick too and then freeze! I think it was on 28th Jan 2003 or 2004 - strange how I remember the date but not the year ha! Does anyone remember this event? Well

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

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20 January 2019 21:34:31

 

What we want is for that frontal system on Monday night into Tuesday is to stall so the colder air can undercut this and turn any rain to snow more quicker. I guess that we would also need the precipitation to be more intense too for this to happen. Not quite the thundersnow we had back end of Jan 2004 or was in 2003? I remember end of Jan (either 03 or 04 when there was a thundersnow event for the south!? Pretty sure it was on a Monday night!? Can anyone remember this? Could this event Monday night into Tuesday be a thundersnow event?

We had temps of 5c and then temps fell in rain and rain turned to snow and then the snow became power dry as temperatures fell to -2c behind the front. The snow started to stick too and then freeze! I think it was on 28th Jan 2003 or 2004 - strange how I remember the date but not the year ha! Does anyone remember this event? Well

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Wednesday 28th Jan 2004. It arrived in the late afternoon here in Cambridge. One of the most memorable weather events for me.  As the cold front arrived it started out as rain, and the temperature was 6C, There were a couple of claps of thunder and the sky turned orange.  The snow arrived suddenly like a wall of white. The temperature dropped 5 or 6 degrees in a matter of minutes.

There's quite a nice video here.


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Gandalf The White
20 January 2019 21:37:26

 

Yes, the ECM is the sort of sequence that downgrades both in upper temps and synoptics nearer the time, with the Azores High ending up playing much more of a role than progged at this stage.

I'm afraid after the Northern blocking failure of the NWP we are now left with the crumbs of this.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

How's your mild weekend and return to zonality looking tonight?

The answer to that will put your latest interpretation of the output in proper context.


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ballamar
20 January 2019 21:43:41
Have been fairly impressed with the modelling of Tuesday from a fair way out and some could get a very interesting days weather. Other than that blocking can get a foothold in the near timeframe if there is a chance the energy in the jet is overdone. But at least it’s busy in the thread as potential is there, who knows a ‘where did that come from’ analysis might be needed in years to come!
Polar Low
20 January 2019 21:48:50

But you know MM it is often the case with our temperate climate I feel the same but if it really gets on your nerves dont look

 

Yet more eye candy at 10 days. Wake me up when we see some eye candy charts at 5 days - then I will take note. All we have been doing so far this winter is chasing, chasing never catching - the winter hare this season is too fast for our tired old dogs to catch.

Polar Low
20 January 2019 21:53:56

it does not count Peter because the mornings run will be correct then if not the 12

 

How's your mild weekend and return to zonality looking tonight?

The answer to that will put your latest interpretation of the output in proper context.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Russwirral
20 January 2019 21:56:08
Tuesday's event is looking incredibly tame compared to 48 hrs ago. Ive yet to review the other models, but GFS shows very little shower activity away from immediate coastal areas, and even then it doesnt look heavy.


JACKO4EVER
20 January 2019 22:02:05

Tuesday's event is looking incredibly tame compared to 48 hrs ago. Ive yet to review the other models, but GFS shows very little shower activity away from immediate coastal areas, and even then it doesnt look heavy.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

save yourself the trouble, it looks pants 

Joe Bloggs
20 January 2019 22:04:08
Joe Bloggs
20 January 2019 22:05:36

Tuesday's event is looking incredibly tame compared to 48 hrs ago. Ive yet to review the other models, but GFS shows very little shower activity away from immediate coastal areas, and even then it doesnt look heavy.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

If anything, MetO raw output has upped the risk of snow, rather than have it diminish. One to watch through tomorrow. 

doctormog
20 January 2019 22:05:59

Tuesday's event is looking incredibly tame compared to 48 hrs ago. Ive yet to review the other models, but GFS shows very little shower activity away from immediate coastal areas, and even then it doesnt look heavy.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

This one?

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2019012018/30-574UK.GIF?20-18

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2019012018/33-574UK.GIF?20-18

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2019012018/36-574UK.GIF?20-18 

 


Brian Gaze
20 January 2019 22:06:50

The GFS twelve bore still shows snow in many places on Monday night. However, Arpege and ICON both have the rain turning to snow as it moves into northern France, which is quite a common scenario. As I said the other day, Met O text forecasts are usually very closely aligned with Arpege.


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tallyho_83
20 January 2019 22:07:31

 

Wednesday 28th Jan 2004. It arrived in the late afternoon here in Cambridge. One of the most memorable weather events for me.  As the cold front arrived it started out as rain, and the temperature was 6C, There were a couple of claps of thunder and the sky turned orange.  The snow arrived suddenly like a wall of white. The temperature dropped 5 or 6 degrees in a matter of minutes.

There's quite a nice video here.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

Did you take the video? - a great capture/footage all in space of 15 mins! Enjoyed watching it, would have been even more enjoyable if it was daytime. I just love seeing rain turn to snow! Amazing meteorological transitional phenomena - just wondering if the video footage was prepared specially for that thundersnow' event on 28th Jan 2004, I knew it was a weekday! - I think if I remember it was not heavy enough the precipitation here in the SW but we did see a rain to snow event that evening, but not to your scale in the south east and home counties! Do you think we could see a 'thundersnow' event Monday night into Tuesday? - Let's hope we see more of those freak' thundersnow' events! Nice how it caught people by surprise too! - That sort of weather was more typical for mid western states and in the USA. Hope we see more of those convective wintry freak rare thundersnow events in the days or coming weeks ahead! Makes meteorology more exciting than this boring mild damp dross we have all been experiencing of late! Besides how often do you get thunder and lightning with snow? When you think of it you think of high humidity and very warm hot air in the summer etc. 


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Gray-Wolf
20 January 2019 22:09:09

I think a combination of the split vortex and low solar HP forcing will be the engines to deliver the rest of winter?

The models will try and figure it all but they will not model the loss of PV ( failure to downwell and machinations as it tries to reform prior to final warming takes place) and the propensity for N.Atlantic blocking.

In all probability we will sit through the rest of winter unscathed as both E.Seaboard U.S. and Central/Southern Europe take reloading Arctic Plunge after reloading Arctic Plunge.

We either see transient NW driven cold/wet snow or the S.E./E tap into continental cold as long as the feed lasts but I think we have seen our 'pattern' and know no reason why it will not continue in this rut?

If I'm proved right then summer will be a blast......an oven blast......


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Chunky Pea
20 January 2019 22:11:05

Tuesday's event is looking incredibly tame compared to 48 hrs ago. Ive yet to review the other models, but GFS shows very little shower activity away from immediate coastal areas, and even then it doesnt look heavy.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

This westerly always looked tame. It is a diverging flow with little to no 'troughyness' contained within it. Hence my 'April' comment yesterday 


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doctormog
20 January 2019 22:11:44

I’m not impressed with the way the mild Saturday is setting up on this run http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_135_1.png


tallyho_83
20 January 2019 22:14:34

I’m not impressed with the way the mild Saturday is setting up on this run http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_135_1.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

That HP has slipped about 10o miles to the west has it not!? all you need now is for that LP to the east to sink southwards!


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Russwirral
20 January 2019 22:16:54

 

That HP has slipped about 10o miles to the west has it not!? all you need now is for that LP to the east to sink southwards!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

channel low in the making


ballamar
20 January 2019 22:26:24

I’m not impressed with the way the mild Saturday is setting up on this run http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_135_1.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

anyone would think you were being sarcastic 

tallyho_83
20 January 2019 22:27:20

 

anyone would think you were being sarcastic 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

That's milder than average temps of us in the south!


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ballamar
20 January 2019 22:28:54

 

That's average temps of us in the south!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

stop being angry will probably change again!!

doctormog
20 January 2019 22:32:24

 

 

stop being angry will probably change again!!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Indeed. A week is a long time in weather too. I would be surprised if the 00z model suite reflect this op run , but then again who knows!

 


tallyho_83
20 January 2019 22:35:41

 

 

stop being angry will probably change again!!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

next Saturday starts off mild for the south:

 


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