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moomin75
10 December 2018 20:53:05

I've gone through the GEFS and I don't seem many hints in the way of blocking.

Looks like we will have to wait for 2019 before we see anything of note 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I threw in the towel for December weeks ago Marcus. Yeh I know I am Mr Negative.

But I genuinely believe we are in for something quite mega in January. Just need a lot of patience and it will arrive. 


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Gooner
10 December 2018 21:01:17

I threw in the towel for December weeks ago Marcus. Yeh I know I am Mr Negative.

But I genuinely believe we are in for something quite mega in January. Just need a lot of patience and it will arrive. 

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I know you did , I only comment realistically on what is on offer, currently there really isn't much blocking available ( looking at GEFS and the Met update )

Darren made some decent comments on warming high up also 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gusty
10 December 2018 21:16:05

I think we should be paying attention to what is going on in the next 3-5 days before making wild sweeping statements and assumptions of weather patterns next week, next month etc etc.

THE GEFS is laughable at the way they are surrendering to the cold in the short term.


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Gooner
10 December 2018 21:22:06

I think we should be paying attention to what is going on in the next 3-5 days before making wild sweeping statements and assumptions of weather patterns next week, next month etc etc.

THE GEFS is laughable at the way they are surrendering to the cold in the short term.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Not so sure Steve , if anything was in the offing you'd see hints in the Met forecasts , I don't think anyone can possibly make an assumption about the weather …………...can they ?


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Sevendust
10 December 2018 21:40:44

 

Not so sure Steve , if anything was in the offing you'd see hints in the Met forecasts , I don't think anyone can possibly make an assumption about the weather …………...can they ?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

People have forgotten what happened last winter ;)

Gooner
10 December 2018 21:53:30

 

People have forgotten what happened last winter ;)

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

As you know Dave that means nothing , different year different weather 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Solar Cycles
10 December 2018 22:25:05

I think the Easterly need putting out of its misery now rather than arguing the toss over whether it gives us a few hours of sleet/wet snow  as its all rather pointless when the Atlantic will just burst through in the long run. Let’s see where the pattern takes us after this.

For all the positve signs and favourable NH Synoptics we're still chasing shadows for the next 7-10 days at least, and possibly beyond.

Gooner
10 December 2018 22:34:28

I think the Easterly need putting out of its misery now rather than arguing the toss over whether it gives us a few hours of sleet/wet snow  as its all rather pointless when the Atlantic will just burst through in the long run. Let’s see where the pattern takes us after this.

For all the positve signs and favourable NH Synoptics we're still chasing shadows for the next 7-10 days at least, and possibly beyond.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

Totally agree , fast forward into Jan IMO , obviously enjoying Xmas on the way 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gandalf The White
10 December 2018 23:41:23

ECM 12z ensemble for London 

 

There’s new uncertainty around the transition from blocked to more changeable conditions on Saturday, with the Op taking a much slower path to a milder outcome and one that isn’t without support.

From Day 10 there’s been a marked shift towards a milder outlook, with average or mild conditions dominating in the run up to Christmas.

 


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
11 December 2018 01:10:54

At least the SSW is still on in FI on Siberian side commencing from 24th Dec - then infiltrating into the Arctic/North Pole! 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Whether Idle
11 December 2018 06:32:38

All the models shunt the block east by Saturday.

Thereafter westerly mobility in train, but the GFS 0z delivers a seasonal toppling NEly for Christmas Day. 

Enjoy it til the 6z.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Retron
11 December 2018 06:35:32

Thereafter westerly mobility in train, but the GFS 0z delivers a seasonal major pattern shift to a cold, blocked setup for Christmas Day. 

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Fixed that for you.

If it came off as shown (and of course it won't), that would be the beginning of a cold spell. If you note what's happening upstream, the high is being reinforced by a second pulse of warm advection to the west and, further north, the Arctic High is drifting towards it. That'd be one hell of a cold spell around a week later!

 

 

 


Leysdown, north Kent
ballamar
11 December 2018 06:48:00

At least the SSW is still on in FI on Siberian side commencing from 24th Dec - then infiltrating into the Arctic/North Pole! 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

its not a SSW just because it’s orange am sure you post the same charts every day - SSW is zonal wind reversal not shown on these charts

Whether Idle
11 December 2018 06:55:13

 

Fixed that for you.

If it came off as shown (and of course it won't), that would be the beginning of a cold spell. If you note what's happening upstream, the high is being reinforced by a second pulse of warm advection to the west and, further north, the Arctic High is drifting towards it. That'd be one hell of a cold spell around a week later!

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Hmmm, Im not convinced of that hypothetical scenario. 

As someone once said, more runs are needed.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
roadrunnerajn
11 December 2018 06:59:48
The GFS in FI for Christmas Day and Boxing Day reminds me of the game show Bullseye....

"This is what you could of won" but instead you get the consolation prize of Bully's low and associated mild weather.......


Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic. 80m asl
Whether Idle
11 December 2018 07:02:54

The GFS in FI for Christmas Day and Boxing Day reminds me of the game show Bullseye....
"This is what you could of won" but instead you get the consolation prize of Bully's low and associated mild weather.......

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 

Image result for bully this is what you could have won


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
BJBlake
11 December 2018 07:12:32

Apparent emerging trend on GFS in FI of high pressure development over Scandinavia from 26th:  One to watch as there as been a propensity for repeated short term (so far) blocking patterns. The jet regularly heads off for a winter break to Spain, then buckles likes a writing snake, and this pattern has already repeated twice, and shown as doing so again in FI. It's a n option only right now, but will it trend.

interesting just how flip floppy the GFS was about this coming short faux cold easterly, but maybe the next one will advect colder air from the continent or subarctic this next time - as hinted by GFS FI... 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
roadrunnerajn
11 December 2018 07:45:54

 

Image result for bully this is what you could have won

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

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Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic. 80m asl
DEW
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11 December 2018 07:58:22

Apparent emerging trend on GFS in FI of high pressure development over Scandinavia from 26th:  One to watch as there as been a propensity for repeated short term (so far) blocking patterns. The jet regularly heads off for a winter break to Spain, then buckles likes a writing snake, and this pattern has already repeated twice, and shown as doing so again in FI. It's a n option only right now, but will it trend.

interesting just how flip floppy the GFS was about this coming short faux cold easterly, but maybe the next one will advect colder air from the continent or subarctic this next time - as hinted by GFS FI... 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Quite agree about the pressure patterns, but the key words are 'faux cold'; the positive temp anomaly over eastern Europe is shocking

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

Transient snow events are possible as the Atlantic pushes in from time to time, but the best we can hope for is some sleety stuff in the south and maybe some hill snow in the north.


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Chichester 12m asl

Gavin D
11 December 2018 08:02:50

UKMO extended has high pressure edging up towards the south leaving the UK in a milder flow 

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tallyho_83
11 December 2018 08:24:03

 

its not a SSW just because it’s orange am sure you post the same charts every day - SSW is zonal wind reversal not shown on these charts

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

OK so that's a SW?

But on here we are talking about a SSW!! Strange plus this site weatheriscool.com is pointing to a reversal of Zonal winds in some models and a weaking of zonal winds:

 


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Gandalf The White
11 December 2018 08:48:26

 

Quite agree about the pressure patterns, but the key words are 'faux cold'; the positive temp anomaly over eastern Europe is shocking

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

Transient snow events are possible as the Atlantic pushes in from time to time, but the best we can hope for is some sleety stuff in the south and maybe some hill snow in the north.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

The anomaly over eastern Europe next week is between 0 and 2c; hardly significant or dramatic surely?

The charts haven’t ever really suggested either an extended cold spell or a particularly cold one.  


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



JACKO4EVER
11 December 2018 09:05:13
Pretty bog standard early winter fayre on offer as we progress into the month with signs of some milder weather as we approach the Christmas week
Gandalf The White
11 December 2018 09:22:51

Pretty bog standard early winter fayre on offer as we progress into the month with signs of some milder weather as we approach the Christmas week

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Not to mention signs of colder weather as we approach Christmas week.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Russwirral
11 December 2018 09:23:49
That wedge of mild atlantic air due to "sweep the UK" is shrinking and diving more and more on every run.

I really wouldnt write off a very quickly evolving proper easterly to surprise us all at some point today or tomorrow.

Even the FI seems happy to arrive at this with blocking seemingly a darkhorse contender here...


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