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Gavin D
21 September 2018 20:25:44
HEAVY SNOW warning: UK faces COLDEST winter for DECADE - shock long-range weather forecast

BRITAIN is facing the coldest and harshest winter for almost a decade with heavy, early snowfall threatening to blanket the nation by Christmas.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1021047/UK-weather-long-range-forecast-Britain-heavy-snow-cold-winter-2018-Met-Office 

jhall
21 September 2018 20:48:51

HEAVY SNOW warning: UK faces COLDEST winter for DECADE - shock long-range weather forecast

BRITAIN is facing the coldest and harshest winter for almost a decade with heavy, early snowfall threatening to blanket the nation by Christmas.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1021047/UK-weather-long-range-forecast-Britain-heavy-snow-cold-winter-2018-Met-Office

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

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Only for a decade? The Express must be slipping. Usually at this time of year they proclaim that we are facing the coldest winter for fifty years, a hundred years or since records began.


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tallyho_83
21 September 2018 22:50:21

HEAVY SNOW warning: UK faces COLDEST winter for DECADE - shock long-range weather forecast

BRITAIN is facing the coldest and harshest winter for almost a decade with heavy, early snowfall threatening to blanket the nation by Christmas.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1021047/UK-weather-long-range-forecast-Britain-heavy-snow-cold-winter-2018-Met-Office

 

So let's wait a week or to as we head into October and then see what the Express say "Mildest & wettest winter in record forecast to hit the UK?"

I guess the only thing they have right is noting that we are approaching or at solar minimum with little or no sunspots for many days.

Last time we were at Solar Minimum was from 2008 and winter 09/10 was very cold and snowy early to mid winter and also early to mid winter 2010 (Dec of course) in and around solar minimum. So perhaps they have a point about it being cold earlier this winter and after all these milder or balmy Christmas day's, we are due for a colder than average Christmas day sooner rather than later ...surely!?

Express always hype which is why i take no notice of it - the Met Office usually over it'- with the warmer than average temps but even this isn't exactly a clear signal for a milder than average winter - bare in mind it's a tri-monthly period! It's not like we are in the dark orange colours like what's usually forecast around this time for D/J/F? Also there isn't a clear signal for wetter than average weather either! - I will be keen to see what happens during next months update.


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tallyho_83
23 September 2018 01:44:10
I think this need to be purchased!?

http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/store-2018-winter-europe-prediction 


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Sean Moon

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Solar Cycles
23 September 2018 07:57:10

I think this need to be purchased!?

http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/store-2018-winter-europe-prediction

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

David Dilley’s site. Though i never rather LRF per se his view on climate forcings mirrors mine.

tallyho_83
28 September 2018 01:35:16

This should be in climate forum but thought some may like a read of this:

Lot's to take in and really informative - I think this winter could be the one!!? Who knows? Even if we did end up with an El Nino or end the year in a westerly QBO etc - this is Grand solar Minimum, so a weaker cooling sun with many spotless weeks and months is more significant I would have thought!?!

https://nextgrandminimum.com/page/7/

 


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NMA
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28 September 2018 06:18:35

Another load of hyperbolic tosh from the Mirror this time.

UK weather forecast: Met Office warns of Arctic blast of subzero temperatures and snow this weekend

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/weather/uk-weather-forecast-met-office-warns-of-arctic-blast-of-subzero-temperatures-and-snow-this-weekend/ar-BBNDDyx?ocid=mailsignout

 

Surely it's the right time for the Met Office to call them out?

Nick


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Brian Gaze
28 September 2018 07:08:28

Another load of hyperbolic tosh from the Mirror this time.

UK weather forecast: Met Office warns of Arctic blast of subzero temperatures and snow this weekend

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/weather/uk-weather-forecast-met-office-warns-of-arctic-blast-of-subzero-temperatures-and-snow-this-weekend/ar-BBNDDyx?ocid=mailsignout

 

Surely it's the right time for the Met Office to call them out?

Nick

Originally Posted by: NMA 

I was more interested in the Met Office video about blocking highs. I don't think it is very good. The discussion is quite nebulous and the definitions offered seem quite arbitrary, almost to the extent of being pointless. 


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tallyho_83
29 September 2018 22:29:47
Worth a watch:


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lanky
02 October 2018 07:48:32

Worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/Ftr7rC_53Ug

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Interesting vid

Winter Forecast for the whole of the USA using only 3 variables

ENSO Index prediction

SST / Warm pools locations in N Pacific between Alaska and Russia

NAO index prediction

Don't let Gav see it - he might think his job is at risk

 


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

Solar Cycles
02 October 2018 07:51:14

 

Interesting vid

Winter Forecast for the whole of the USA using only 3 variables

ENSO Index prediction

SST / Warm pools locations in N Pacific between Alaska and Russia

NAO index prediction

Don't let Gav see it - he might think his job is at risk

 

Originally Posted by: lanky 

I think that’s as many variables you need to factor in when looking ahead  for the  US lanky. 😁

tallyho_83
02 October 2018 11:57:58
Just watching the BBC N 24 weather at 12:55 and the forecaster got cut off by adverts!? Anyone else see this!?
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Gavin D
08 October 2018 09:05:38
BBC monthly outlook

Saturday 6 October—Sunday 14 October

Turning warmer after a cool weekend.

A chilly, wet and breezy morning for much of England and Wales on Saturday but brightening-up in the west and north through the afternoon. Meanwhile, Scotland and Northern Ireland will have bright spells and only isolated showers through Saturday.

After a cold night with an early frost for some, Sunday will be a drier, calmer and sunnier day for large parts of England and Wales while Scotland and Northern Ireland will have a wetter and windier day; heavy rain for north-west Scotland.

Through the first half of next week, temperatures will be on the rise for much of England and Wales. It will feel more like summer than autumn with a lot of dry weather as well for many with sunshine at times. Temperatures are likely to climb into the low 20s Celsius over some southern areas of England by Wednesday. However, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be cloudier and windier at times. Western and north-west Scotland will be thoroughly wet with some high rainfall totals likely there.

The second half of next week is still likely to be mild for many although temperatures may fall away slightly over England and Wales-still feeling pleasant though.

There should be a lot of dry weather, again with the greatest risk of rainfall for western and north-western fringes of the UK. However, the details of the forecast could change. There is a slight risk that ex-Hurricane Leslie tracks from the mid-Atlantic close to the UK late in the week, which could bring more widely windy weather.

Monday 15 October—Sunday 21 October

Turning wetter more widely. Still mild.

For the third week of October, changeable weather conditions can be expected with some typically wet and breezy autumn weather at times for many. However, initially, high pressure may be nearby to the east of the UK, bringing some fine weather to central and eastern areas albeit with a risk of morning fog.

Meanwhile, western and northwestern fringes of the UK will have the highest risk of wetter and breezier weather early in the week. As the week progresses, there is an increasing likelihood of outbreaks of rain extending further east and south across the UK. Indeed, there are chances of some significant rainfall for many, perhaps accompanied by brisk winds too.

Temperatures will probably be down a little compared to the previous week but it should still be quite mild for the time of year.

Monday 22 October—Sunday 4 November

Changeable conditions with rain at times.

The final full week of October is likely to maintain changeable conditions over the UK with bands of rain spreading southeastwards across the country at times.

The latest indications are for a somewhat wetter outlook than previously forecast. However, there should still be some drier and brighter interludes as well, perhaps with the best of those for eastern areas. Once again, western Scotland could bear the brunt of the heaviest rain and strongest winds.

Other parts of the UK are also likely to be breezy at times though. Meanwhile, temperatures look like not departing too far from the seasonal average. There are only slight risks of any significant cold weather although the occasional night frost can be expected in rural areas. As we move into the turn of the month, we can still expect rather changeable conditions with rain at times but there are some indications that northern areas, including western Scotland, may start to turn less wet. Temperatures are likely to be variable, again probably not departing too far from the seasonal average. A greater risk of some night frosts, though, over northern areas of the UK.

Next Update

We will take another look to see if there are any signs of next week's warmth persisting or whether we are still likely to see a change to wetter and less warm conditions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook 

Gavin D
08 October 2018 09:44:31
September update

October to December

Temperature summary

For October November December as a whole, above average temperatures are more likely than below average temperatures. Overall, the probability that the UK-average temperature for October-November-December will fall into the coldest of our five categories is between 10% and 15%, and the probability that it will fall into the warmest of our five categories is between 35% and 40% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-ond-v2.pdf 

Precipitation summary

For October-November-December as a whole, above-average precipitation is more likely than below-average precipitation. The probability that UK-average precipitation for October-November-December will fall into the driest of our five categories is between 10% and 15% and the probability that it will fall into the wettest of our five categories is between 30% and 35% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-precip-ond-v2.pdf 

tallyho_83
08 October 2018 10:03:52
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-ond-v2.pdf 

Precipitation summary

For October-November-December as a whole, above-average precipitation is more likely than below-average precipitation. The probability that UK-average precipitation for October-November-December will fall into the driest of our five categories is between 10% and 15% and the probability that it will fall into the wettest of our five categories is between 30% and 35% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

Full forecast: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-precip-ond-v2.pdf

 

So not quite the four months of snowfall and freezing conditions after all then? - like the Daily Express was expressing:

Haha Of course it will be above average - it's standard norm these days anything below average is not the norm and Met Office always are mild bias toward above average temperatures.

When was the last time the Met Office have gone for a below average month in terms of temperature? Anyone!?


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Gavin D
08 October 2018 18:14:27
Red October: High pressure to bring warm weather to parts of UK

Temperatures are expected to hit the mid-20s in some places - but a severe weather warning for rain has been issued for Scotland.

https://news.sky.com/story/red-october-high-pressure-to-bring-warm-weather-to-parts-of-uk-11521418 

Solar Cycles
08 October 2018 18:22:31
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-ond-v2.pdf 

Precipitation summary

For October-November-December as a whole, above-average precipitation is more likely than below-average precipitation. The probability that UK-average precipitation for October-November-December will fall into the driest of our five categories is between 10% and 15% and the probability that it will fall into the wettest of our five categories is between 30% and 35% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

Full forecast: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-precip-ond-v2.pdf

 I find these summaries totally useless in the grander scheme of things, the law of sod dictates that if you roll a dice we'll end up milder than average 9/10 times.

Brian Gaze
14 October 2018 10:36:07

Big rain event here today with 27mm already recorded. I'm surprised there are no warnings out for it and I tweeted the Met Office earlier this morning.


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ozone_aurora
14 October 2018 10:49:43

The forecast from the Met Office seems to have gone into disarray.
As far as I can remember, the rain/cold front was originally supposed to sweep eastwards, clearing E Anglia late Sunday, and bringing cool, bright, dry day for Monday. But, no, it seems to have grounded to halt and is supposed to slowly move NW'wards tonight. Looks like Monday is going to be wet in central England, if I'm correct?
I suspect Leslie is to blame for this.

Heavy Weather 2013
14 October 2018 10:58:32

Big rain event here today with 27mm already recorded. I'm surprised there are no warnings out for it and I tweeted the Met Office earlier this morning.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Its been a bizzare 12 hours model wise. This time yesterday  we were expecting two cool plunges in the coming few days including today/tomorrow. Both erased.

I think Leslie has played total havoc with the models 


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Brian Gaze
14 October 2018 11:02:57

There clearly was a significant shift in the output overnight as can be seen from the Arpege 12z and 00z rain aggregate forecasts:

 

The 00z shows much higher rain totals across much of England. Now having said that the Met Office forecasts (IME) are often VERY close to Arpege, presumably because the models they use are closely related. Therefore it begs the question of why they haven't moved more quickly to issue updates and possibly warnings.  

 


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pdiddy
14 October 2018 13:44:19

I">https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-precip-ond-v2.pdf

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

 I find these summaries totally useless in the grander scheme of things, the law of sod dictates that if you roll a dice we'll end up milder than average 9/10 times.

Yes and they haven't been accurate in the past few years.  I suppose they will point to probability and state that we effectively need to "roll a 6" for a colder winter, whereas 1-5 will be average or mild (15% probability of the former and 85% the latter).

tallyho_83
15 October 2018 01:20:33
Comprenez vous?

November looks good for Devon 😛


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DEW
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15 October 2018 06:27:43

Big rain event here today with 27mm already recorded. I'm surprised there are no warnings out for it and I tweeted the Met Office earlier this morning.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Reading Univ wettest for the 14th at 36.2 mm by midnight, and I think there was more after that in the early hours of the 15th


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Brian Gaze
15 October 2018 07:26:29

 

Reading Univ wettest for the 14th at 36.2 mm by midnight, and I think there was more after that in the early hours of the 15th

Originally Posted by: DEW 

I recorded 43.8mm yesterday and 4.2mm so far today. Sometimes weather warnings are thrown around like confetti but I don't think there were any at all yesterday. The system could do with reviewing IMO. 


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