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Solar Cycles
17 July 2018 19:13:44

 

I think the problem is that certain people seem to comment more on the downgrades than the upgrades.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

Lol, ‘tis far worse in winter. 😎

TimS
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17 July 2018 19:15:34

Lol, ‘tis far worse in winter. 😎

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

I don’t really care about winter. Don’t mind some snow and it looks pretty but generally prefer mild weather. Summer is where the real action is.


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xioni2
17 July 2018 19:29:58

Breakdown? ECM says no.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

And even that run probably overestimates the low pressure at the end. Pressure will probably end up higher over the UK with the troughing further south.

Arcus
17 July 2018 19:42:04

Yes ECM looks a bit better.
I do wonder what the point of a model output discussion is if it’s not to comment on the model output.

There would be no complaints if people talked about upgrades.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

"Four downgrades then four upgrades"

By all means comment on the model output, but can we please leave the tea leaves out of it.


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White Meadows
17 July 2018 22:33:25
A lot of daft handbag swinging in here today. Has the heat affected people’s ability to remain rational?

18z shows a depression crossing the U.K. a week from now. Probably a cool wet outlier.

Brian Gaze
18 July 2018 05:24:41

GFS 00z going for a furnace like scenario next week.


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SJV
18 July 2018 05:33:06

A lot of daft handbag swinging in here today. Has the heat affected people’s ability to remain rational?
18z shows a depression crossing the U.K. a week from now. Probably a cool wet outlier.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

 

and the 00z keeps the low out west and, as Brian says above, keeps many places very warm/hot through next week. Upgrades/downgrades = the usual variability past t+144 

Brian Gaze
18 July 2018 05:38:04

I think we are approaching the "double or bust" scenario and why not? It has been a cracking summer to date and whilst the changes may increase the chance of a breakdown they also give us a shot at the hottest spell of the year. Something for everyone! 


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18 July 2018 05:51:34

I think we are approaching the "double or bust" scenario and why not? It has been a cracking summer to date and whilst the changes may increase the chance of a breakdown they also give us a shot at the hottest spell of the year. Something for everyone! 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I’d buy that. The GEFS and GEM ens are both showing a lot of hot scenarios but also some unsettled ones. The consistent pattern in both, which seems to be a Scandinavian high, would lend itself to this double or bust situation.

Anyway, first of the 4 upgrades was 18z and 00z continues the trend.


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18 July 2018 06:06:20


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xioni2
18 July 2018 06:15:27

I think we are approaching the "double or bust" scenario and why not? It has been a cracking summer to date and whilst the changes may increase the chance of a breakdown they also give us a shot at the hottest spell of the year. Something for everyone! 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I think it will be neither double nor bust, but just carry on.

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18 July 2018 06:54:05

BBC expecting heat to continue but with (?plume) thunderstorms


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superteacher
18 July 2018 06:58:53
ECM shows ridge link up with Scandinavia HP, with low parked out west. That’s a perfect set up for some serious heat, especially further east and south you are.
Brian Gaze
18 July 2018 07:05:24

Yes, ECM gets very close to mainlining the furnace:


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superteacher
18 July 2018 07:13:27

Yes, ECM gets very close to mainlining the furnace:

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

If we could just get thst trough a bit further west then even better.

Jiries
18 July 2018 07:18:19

 

I think it will be neither double nor bust, but just carry on.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

That what I think as it will carry on very dry with 28-32C temps this weekend to next week.

Downpour
18 July 2018 07:32:50
Agreed. Tomorrow will be like today.

That’s the form horse this summer.


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TimS
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18 July 2018 08:03:47
I suppose the question is what counts as “double”. Mid 30s I would guess.

In some years the double scenario would imply hitting 30C. That’s just “more of the same” in the 2018 context.

This year is a really powerful example of soil moisture feedback, both on rainfall amounts and daily maxes. The gap between 850hPa and surface temperatures has regularly been as much as 18-20C. I had always used a rule of thumb of 17-18C in strong sunshine, in midsummer, reducing to 15C by late August.


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White Meadows
18 July 2018 08:09:39

I suppose the question is what counts as “double”. Mid 30s I would guess.

In some years the double scenario would imply hitting 30C. That’s just “more of the same” in the 2018 context.

This year is a really powerful example of soil moisture feedback, both on rainfall amounts and daily maxes. The gap between 850hPa and surface temperatures has regularly been as much as 18-20C. I had always used a rule of thumb of 17-18C in strong sunshine, in midsummer, reducing to 15C by late August.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

good post 👍

the models are starting to show what we’ve been talking about with a low spinning up the NW flank of the British Isles dragging up some Iberian heat. I can’t see it being particularly conducive to thunderstorm conditions but maybe the odd localised downpour followed by more of the same warmth we’ve had since mid June. 

Jiries
18 July 2018 08:11:18

I suppose the question is what counts as “double”. Mid 30s I would guess.

In some years the double scenario would imply hitting 30C. That’s just “more of the same” in the 2018 context.

This year is a really powerful example of soil moisture feedback, both on rainfall amounts and daily maxes. The gap between 850hPa and surface temperatures has regularly been as much as 18-20C. I had always used a rule of thumb of 17-18C in strong sunshine, in midsummer, reducing to 15C by late August.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

When uppers was 7C yesterday I recorded 27.1C which was the coolest day and today look warmer feel despite slow uppers rising   I think I would see 32-33C early next week and onward after this coming days of 29-30C here starting from today.

Rob K
18 July 2018 08:12:07

I suppose the question is what counts as “double”. Mid 30s I would guess.

In some years the double scenario would imply hitting 30C. That’s just “more of the same” in the 2018 context.

This year is a really powerful example of soil moisture feedback, both on rainfall amounts and daily maxes. The gap between 850hPa and surface temperatures has regularly been as much as 18-20C. I had always used a rule of thumb of 17-18C in strong sunshine, in midsummer, reducing to 15C by late August.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 

Yes I have noticed that: on days with temperatures hitting the high 20s you check the 850mb charts and see they are only 8-9C! If we could tap into a proper 18C+ plume before we get any rain then 40C would have to be on the cards. That would be the icing on the cake (but I very much doubt we will be that lucky!)


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The Beast from the East
18 July 2018 08:32:32

 

 

Yes I have noticed that: on days with temperatures hitting the high 20s you check the 850mb charts and see they are only 8-9C! 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Is this something new and due to climate change or the sun

I don't recall temperatures rising so easily 20 or 30 years ago. 


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xioni2
18 July 2018 08:40:15

Is this something new and due to climate change or the sun

I don't recall temperatures rising so easily 20 or 30 years ago. 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Not new at all, it happens every year in the Med and it's mostly due to the dry ground feedback.

In fact, it can be even stronger in the UK due to the longer days and the last great example was 1976.

xioni2
18 July 2018 08:43:25

I suppose the question is what counts as “double”. Mid 30s I would guess.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Mid 30s indeed or 15-20C at 850mb. The later has happened a lot over the last 15 years, but it's noticeably absent this year (so far). 

golfingmad
18 July 2018 09:00:31

 

Mid 30s indeed or 15-20C at 850mb. The later has happened a lot over the last 15 years, but it's noticeably absent this year (so far). 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Every chance now of this happening, with serious heat next week. If this comes off, will the record CET for July of 19.7C in 2006 be challenged?


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