Global Warming
06 January 2013 11:08:08

1992 is also a good example of how the CET can collapse after a warm first week. As I note above 1992 has the record for the warmest first 8 days of January with a CET of 8.83C.


The mean CET for the the 9th - 31st Jan 1992 was 1.9C leaving the month as a whole at 3.7C which is 0.5C below average. I wonder if we will see something similar this year.

Rob K
06 January 2013 11:15:42
For my guess to stand a chance we need the cold to arrive as soon as possible!
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Global Warming
06 January 2013 11:41:13

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


3.5c please


 



I see you made two separate predictions within the space of three hours. I will take the most recent one for the competition.

Global Warming
06 January 2013 11:52:03

Here is the table of predictions for January. We have 72 in total. In the spirit of the New Year I have allowed the two predictions made on the morning of the 3rd (but with an extra day of penalty so a total of 0.6C for these predictions). Solar Cycles' prediction on the 5th is too late to count I'm afraid.


Hungry Tiger
06 January 2013 12:15:40

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks GW.


Its going to be fun watching it collapse.



Fascinating.



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Hungry Tiger
06 January 2013 12:16:29

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

January 1950 is a good example of an exceptionally mild first half followed by a very cold second half January 1950 CET: 4.2 First half: 7.9 Second half 0.8 First half mean max: 10.4 Second half mean max: 2.9 First half mean min: 5.3 Second half mean min: -1.4 CET Trackometer 1. 6.0 2. 6.3 3. 7.4 4. 7.8 5. 7.9 6. 7.6 7. 7.7 8. 7.8 9. 7.8 10. 7.9 11. 8.1 12. 8.0 13. 7.9 14. 7.9 15. 7.9 16. 7.7 17. 7.6 18. 7.3 19. 6.9 20. 6.6 21. 6.3 22. 6.1 23. 5.9 24. 5.6 25. 5.4 26. 5.1 27. 4.9 28. 4.7 29. 4.4 30. 4.3 31. 4.2


 


Cheers Kevin - Thanks for those stats there.


 


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Sussex snow magnet
06 January 2013 15:10:02

Kev/Global warming how unusual is it to have a very cold spell in the 3rd week of Jan,what years have got the records?


A quick look at the cet records appears to show its not that common since "63" with 1966 and 2001 the only years with most of the week below zero cet and 1985 and 1987 the back end of a cold spell in the 2nd week.So it seems quite rare for cold 3rd weeks of Jan.


 

Twister
07 January 2013 12:56:21

The first 6 days have come in at 7.7C (a notable 4.4C above average).


Looks like we are looking down from the top of a slide though!


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html


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Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)
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Global Warming
07 January 2013 21:18:39

Originally Posted by: Sussex snow magnet 


Kev/Global warming how unusual is it to have a very cold spell in the 3rd week of Jan,what years have got the records?


A quick look at the cet records appears to show its not that common since "63" with 1966 and 2001 the only years with most of the week below zero cet and 1985 and 1987 the back end of a cold spell in the 2nd week.So it seems quite rare for cold 3rd weeks of Jan.



Not that unusual. Since 1925 there have been 11 years where the CET mean for 15th-21st Jan was negative


1926, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1946, 1955, 1963, 1966, 1985, 1987, 2001


Coldest was 1940 with -4.27C


Coldest ever was 1881 with -6.44C

Frost Hollow
08 January 2013 09:34:05

8.25c here up 4.3c on 2012


Mean min 6.7c up 6.3c on 2012


Mean max 9.5c up 2.4c on 2012


Last frost was on December 14th !


 


 

Gavin P
08 January 2013 13:26:01

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Originally Posted by: Sussex snow magnet 


Kev/Global warming how unusual is it to have a very cold spell in the 3rd week of Jan,what years have got the records?


A quick look at the cet records appears to show its not that common since "63" with 1966 and 2001 the only years with most of the week below zero cet and 1985 and 1987 the back end of a cold spell in the 2nd week.So it seems quite rare for cold 3rd weeks of Jan.



Not that unusual. Since 1925 there have been 11 years where the CET mean for 15th-21st Jan was negative


1926, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1946, 1955, 1963, 1966, 1985, 1987, 2001


Coldest was 1940 with -4.27C


Coldest ever was 1881 with -6.44C



Looks like we're about due another one.


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Sussex snow magnet
08 January 2013 14:59:41

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Originally Posted by: Sussex snow magnet 


Kev/Global warming how unusual is it to have a very cold spell in the 3rd week of Jan,what years have got the records?


A quick look at the cet records appears to show its not that common since "63" with 1966 and 2001 the only years with most of the week below zero cet and 1985 and 1987 the back end of a cold spell in the 2nd week.So it seems quite rare for cold 3rd weeks of Jan.



Not that unusual. Since 1925 there have been 11 years where the CET mean for 15th-21st Jan was negative


1926, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1946, 1955, 1963, 1966, 1985, 1987, 2001


Coldest was 1940 with -4.27C


Coldest ever was 1881 with -6.44C



Yes suprising when its broken down properly (had a quick look at each week of jan back to 1900) very few cold "weeks" prior to the 1940's and the 3rd week does seem to have the most cold weeks (my years might need clarifiying)


1st to 7th negative 1908,1941,1963,1970,1971,1979,1997,2009,2010


8th to 14th negative 1940,1959,1963,1968,1982,1985,1987,2010


22nd to 28th negative 1907,1909,1917,1933,1940,1945,1947,1950,1952,1954,1963,1979,1996

Twister
11 January 2013 10:23:05

Originally Posted by: Twister 


The first 6 days have come in at 7.7C (a notable 4.4C above average).


Looks like we are looking down from the top of a slide though!


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html



The first 9 days are very similar: 7.6C (4C above average)


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html


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Thunder 2016: 12 (Apr 3,13; May 21; Jun 8,11,17,22,23,25, Jul 2,12, Aug 26)
Winter 2015/6: Snowfalls: 10 | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 17 (0.5cm)) | Air frosts: 39
Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)
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Rob K
12 January 2013 16:34:05
If some of the output came true exactly as shown there is still a chance everybody could have gone too mild!
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Gavin P
12 January 2013 17:48:39

The drop is gaining pace;


6.6;


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html


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roger63
12 January 2013 19:49:42

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


The drop is gaining pace;


6.6;


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html



Using 4.4 as the Janary and the latest Hadley, it is 2.2 above monthly average.To get back to normal, I calculate that the  CET for the rest of the month must be 1.1c below average ie around 3.3C

Rob K
12 January 2013 20:10:11
Hmm 6.6c to the 11th, to get my guess of 1.9c it would need to average -0.7c for the rest of the month! I think the latest ECM would actually do that!
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Younger Dryas
12 January 2013 20:10:38

A final value in the 1s is possible if it is cold enough. However, sub-1c is very unlikely unless it really is very cold

Global Warming
13 January 2013 12:04:17

Here is the latest update. My CET estimate is very closely tracking Hadley this month. Up to the 12th Hadley is at 6.25C and I am at 6.21C.


The below average conditions look set to continue for the foreseeable future. This morning's runs are somewhat colder than yesterday and there is bound to be considerable movement from run to run given that the current situation is difficult for the models to get a real grip on.


Currently the CET is expected to fall to 3.34C by the 26th. So a finishing number somewhere around 3C looks likely at the moment. Long way to go though.



Hungry Tiger
13 January 2013 12:22:12

Originally Posted by: Younger Dryas 


A final value in the 1s is possible if it is cold enough.



I reckon the last week of the month would have to average below 0C to deliver a CET that low.


 


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