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18 December 2025 09:25:13
FAX - fronts moving across today with wave on front enhancing the rain for England. Tomorrow (Fri) a brief blast of W-lies before a new trough from ythe west, stalling and moving S-wards (997mb Brittany Sun, 999mb Biscay Mon, with winds turning into the east for Scotland.

GFS  Op 0z- slower to move the trough S-wards but by Christmas Day 1000mb Balearics while HP has settled N of Scotland 1040mb with strong E-lies for England (bit not connected to a source of deep cold). This set-up persists to New Year, though the E-lies weaken, and something much colder is pushing s into E Europe. By Fri 2nd this n-ly blast has retrogressed and the fringe of it is affecting the North Sea coasts while the HP has taken up a position NW of Ireland thus blocking any Atlantic LPs.

ECM - like GFS but any deep cold even less likely as source is SE rather than S. The HP cell moves S and allows something milder across Scotland before, as in GFS, setting up a block with N-lies for the 2nd (which, however, do no persist as the HP takes more control of British weather

AIFS both London and Edinburgh show a cooling down for the Christmas - New Year period, London to about 3C while Edinburgh a touch milder around  5C. Some rain this week, especially today for London, but mainly dry from Christmas onwards

GEFS - in the S rain and milder today, near norm to Christmas Day with a little rain , then 2 or 3 C below norm and dry through to New Year. In the N similar but the rainfall emphasised for the 23rd rather than now, and mean temp only 1 or 2 C below norm.

Snow row indicates perhaps a few flurries in the S for Xmas (10/33 in places) and some chances of snow around the New Year in the east (10+ / 33). Cold-ish for Christmas but hopes of any severe wintry weather seem to depend on an FI northerly.


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Brian Gaze
18 December 2025 10:26:04
Here's the latest from the AIGFS for Christmas Day.

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idj20
18 December 2025 10:44:09
The perfect easterly for us here at Kent at the right time, but the lack of proper snow-producing deep cold uppers is telling. Might just spot a few ice pellets on the day itself at Folkestone, but that a waste of the perfect Winter synoptics. That said, those brave/daft enough to precipitate in Boxing Day dips might want to be prepared for a real shock to the system.


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Taylor1740
18 December 2025 10:46:36

Here's the latest from the AIGFS for Christmas Day.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Looks like some kind of Southerly from that view but with colder uppers then the rest of the output shows?


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doctormog
18 December 2025 10:51:18

Looks like some kind of Southerly from that view but with colder uppers then the rest of the output shows?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

No, that clearly shows an easterly flow.


Brian Gaze
18 December 2025 10:52:11

Looks like some kind of Southerly from that view but with colder uppers then the rest of the output shows?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Here 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/aigfs.aspx?run=06&charthour=168&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na-region&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM 


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Saint Snow
18 December 2025 11:16:27

^ hours on from that (midday Xmas Day) has temps across E&W widely at 3-4c (a degree or two colder in Scotland) and a moderately stiff breeze. Will feel really chilly.


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Gandalf The White
18 December 2025 11:33:01

Looks like some kind of Southerly from that view but with colder uppers then the rest of the output shows?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Surely you know to follow the direction of the isobars and then adjust for the  pressure gradient?


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Quantum
18 December 2025 11:44:48
So not much has changed, the runs will differ in terms of how much cold air is embedded in the flow, but the important point is that the pattern is very blocked and there are some signs it will be persistent with the deep high trying to eventually push north west.

With regards to xmas itself, details are difficult at this stage and the options range from 'chilly and dry' to 'heavy snow showers'. Its too early to say much more than that, though I do note that while the models tend to be overly optimistic about the pattern (the model with the worst pattern tends to be right) they are conversely pessimistic with how cold the airmass is so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a big downward trend in those uppers provided the HP doesn't sink further south.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

marco 79
18 December 2025 11:55:29
O6z GEFS bring the mean down below -5c from boxing day (London) despite a warmer Op
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Russwirral
18 December 2025 12:01:08
Id say this mornings GFS 6z run is the best yet for xmas snow and longevity.

Plenty of detail to spin up within this that the low res models cant produce.  If those charts were to verify as is, there would be flurries pretty much country wide, albeit little to no snow cover away from immediate eastern and southern coasts.  Probably the best festive and seasonal charts in years!


Ally Pally Snowman
18 December 2025 12:07:19

O6z GEFS bring the mean down below -5c from boxing day (London) despite a warmer Op

Originally Posted by: marco 79 

Indeed despite the Op the ensembles are the coldest yet.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=gfs&var=2&run=6&lid=ENS&bw=1 


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Retron
18 December 2025 12:08:05
A lovely example of a strongly zonal chart, across most of the Atlantic and eastward to beyond the Urals.

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/76/346/gens_4_1_288lyo6.png 

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(Of course it's negative zonality, and that's what makes it special! Just one of many options in the GEFS 6z suite.)


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Quantum
18 December 2025 12:10:53

A lovely example of a strongly zonal chart, across most of the Atlantic and eastward to beyond the Urals.

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/76/346/gens_4_1_288lyo6.png 

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(Of course it's negative zonality, and that's what makes it special! Just one of many options in the GEFS 6z suite.)

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Tbf I'd not quite call this fully negative zonality. 

I'd reserve that for the vanishingly rare cases where you get coherent upper lows moving from east to west along a upper level jet. It is happening a bit in the longitude of Iceland, but west of Iceland the jet is west-east, and east of Iceland the jet is non existent. 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

tallyho_83
18 December 2025 12:31:00
Quite a cold cluster of ENS looking at 06z uppers despite milder OP run:

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CField
18 December 2025 12:57:19
Some lovely charts up to New Year and beyond....the mother of all winter spells of 1947 started off with a wintry mix before it took off......could this winter be a classic?
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Chunky Pea
18 December 2025 13:05:29

Surely you know to follow the direction of the isobars and then adjust for the  pressure gradient?

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

The chart in question would suggest more a NE flow. Isobars are a guide only, and wind direction rarely follows the isobar flow perfectly, except in very stable conditions. A straight south to north isobar flow for example more often than not brings a SE'ly wind flow.

Edit: Example below from the current set up. SSW isobaric flow over the Irish Sea and adjacent lands, but wind direction is more S to SE. 

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Brian Gaze
18 December 2025 13:46:10
Wind direction charts for the AIGFS are available. See

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/aigfs.aspx?run=06&charthour=0&chartname=windvector&chartregion=uk&charttag=Wind 


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Hungry Tiger
18 December 2025 14:36:03

Here's the latest from the AIGFS for Christmas Day.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

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Bertwhistle
18 December 2025 15:01:14

O6z GEFS bring the mean down below -5c from boxing day (London) despite a warmer Op

Originally Posted by: marco 79 

Yes, from 26th into the New Year- just (ATM). The set up looks to me like a proper pattern change rather than a week-long blip, with HP hopping about a bit but always nearby and keeping an essentially cold 850 regime at hand.


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Brian Gaze
18 December 2025 15:05:49
Definitely worth keeping an eye on the ECM ensembles later today. The mean suggests most runs are keeping the high pressure a tad further south than GEFS. That would seem to account for much of the difference in 850hPa temperatures. 

ECM ENS 00Z 2m temps for Christmas Day below. They are readable if you open in a new tab or pinch on smartphone.

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Taylor1740
18 December 2025 15:36:52

Surely you know to follow the direction of the isobars and then adjust for the  pressure gradient?

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Yes but the zoomed in chart view and the colder uppers pushing northward made it look more like the air was pushing up from the South.

Anyway it's all still to play for after the solid 6z GEFS, however the other models are less convincing. If the GFS starts to wobble then it will be time to start worrying.


NW Leeds - 150m amsl
Retron
18 December 2025 15:43:40

. If the GFS starts to wobble then it will be time to start worrying.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Better start worrying then, as sooner or later it'll wobble! 😁

ICON is out now and it wasn't worth the wait - the high is further south.


Leysdown, north Kent
moomin75
18 December 2025 16:00:35

Better start worrying then, as sooner or later it'll wobble! 😁

ICON is out now and it wasn't worth the wait - the high is further south.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Yup, ICON is pretty terrible for the cold prospects. 850s barely drop below freezing, let alone significantly so. A mild mush fest Christmas would be likely if ICON is anywhere near right.


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GroundhogDay
18 December 2025 16:24:21

Yup, ICON is pretty terrible for the cold prospects. 850s barely drop below freezing, let alone significantly so. A mild mush fest Christmas would be likely if ICON is anywhere near right.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Thankfully it's the op run of one model amongst many. Ensemble watch now until at least the middle of next week. 


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