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Rob K
17 December 2025 17:29:05
Some charts (eg AIGFS, and GFS op run) are really  bringing some proper deep cold into eastern Europe. Been a while since we have seen those deep purples flooding into Europe. If we can tap into that then the fun and games would really start.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Retron
17 December 2025 17:35:24
The GEFS mean for Christmas Day is certainly different from what we're used to!

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Leysdown, north Kent
squish
17 December 2025 17:44:41
Runs 3 and 7 look tasty  from the GEFS( haven't looked through them all)
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
David M Porter
17 December 2025 17:46:20

Wow, after the biblical rain we have been having down here, it would be just how the weather works these days for it to switch to a full blown Easterly in a heartbeat, and over Christmas, couldn't make it up..

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 

Recent weather has reminded me a lot of the very wet November of 2009. Prior to the very end of that month, if someone had said to me that a month-long freeze would be starting just after mid-December, I probably wouldn't have believed them. However, when the models first started to pick up on the change in pattern which ultimately led to the start of that freeze at the end of Nov/start of Dec, they stuck with it consistently and never wavered from it to the best of my recollection. December 2012 was another wet month (after many wet months previously that year) which preceded a change in pattern to a much colder period after the start of 2013, and just as in 2009 and 2010 there was a great deal of consistency across the model output of the pattern change for quite a while before it came along.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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tallyho_83
17 December 2025 18:00:53
Just looking at GFS 12z runs 

Looks like the models are struggling with the positioning of this HP post xmas with the runs last night and this morning collapsing and sinking the ridge now  latest 12z shows the models retrogressing the ridge to the NW to bring in colder weather and keeping us cold for longer. Nice to see those colder runs back. 

The 06z 850hpa ENS for London on 25th Dec showed a mean of -1.8c at 12pm midday but the 12z 850hpa ENS for London shows a mean of -4.5c at 12pm midday. Not bitterly cold but quite a jump to colder airmass uppers.

All eyes on ECM 12z and 18z .


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Ally Pally Snowman
17 December 2025 18:20:47
GEFS are the coldest so far 🥶.  The Control ends in style 
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tierradelfuego
17 December 2025 18:57:55
GEM looks pretty sweet to Xmas and Boxing Day, plenty of snow showing on the 12z.
Bucklebury

West Berkshire Downs AONB

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doctormog
17 December 2025 19:01:12

GEM looks pretty sweet to Xmas and Boxing Day, plenty of snow showing on the 12z.

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

It’s very much on the cold side of the ensembles, although to be fair I’ve never really rated the GEM ensemble set.


Quantum
17 December 2025 20:03:24

500hpa NHem pattern Height+Temp for 22nd December

https://modeles3.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2025121606/ecmwfnh-13-144.png?0 

Key features. Split tropospheric polar vortex. Canadian part north of the Hudson bay 480/-46C and Siberian part over NE siberia at 496/-46C. The Canadian part is a bit more concentrated than the Siberian part which isn't ideal. In the middle we have a weak arctic ridge; the models are notoriously poor at getting the placement of this right; so it could be much stronger deep anticyclone or so weak the two vortex lobes are merged. Both scenarios are possible even at T+144h. 

At lower latitudes we have a deep ridge extending to Greenland and a small cutoff low in the azores region. So its a decent pattern but lots could be improved on.

The ridge could merge with the ridge over the arctic and push that Siberian vortex SW which could result in a cold siberian easterly. The vortex could reform over the arctic and the deep ridge goes instead to scandanavia giving a bit of a short fetch scandi high type setup at the surface. The strength of the azores cutoff is also important. If that's too weak then the deep ridge could sink and give a Euro/UK high type setup. Some models also suggest possible northerlies if the Canadian vortex weakens a bit and the deep ridge pushes further west.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

So I posted this a day ago, and things have firmed up since then.

Looks like that arctic ridge is alot weaker now, so as a result the greenland ridge is ending up in Scandanavia. So it looks like we will see an initial cold surge around xmas day, I suppose the thing that will determine how interesting this gets is how much of that siberian polar vortex gets dragged into the circulation. The more the better, not only does it mean more cold air, but it eventually ends up in the azores and stops sinking.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Rob K
17 December 2025 23:15:18
GFS 18Z charts look pretty but equate to temperatures not much below average, maxima around 6-7C every day in the southeast, minima mostly around 3-4C and just about hitting zero by new year. Cool but not very wintry.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
17 December 2025 23:31:19

GEFS are the coldest so far 🥶.  The Control ends in style 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

18z control @ 240z retrogresses the HP Towards Iceland and Greenland:

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BJBlake
18 December 2025 01:47:29

So I posted this a day ago, and things have firmed up since then.

Looks like that arctic ridge is alot weaker now, so as a result the greenland ridge is ending up in Scandanavia. So it looks like we will see an initial cold surge around xmas day, I suppose the thing that will determine how interesting this gets is how much of that siberian polar vortex gets dragged into the circulation. The more the better, not only does it mean more cold air, but it eventually ends up in the azores and stops sinking.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

It is interesting how mild the near continent so often has been in winters within the last One or two decades, when there is little benefit for cold weather fans from short fetch easterlies, especially with warmer sea surface temperatures.  To get true cold Weather to UK shores, we Do seem to need that Siberian Vortex or Arctic incursion to deliver true cold, especially to the south, which of course, makes getting true cold weather (cold enough for precipitation to fall as snow and snow to settle) An ever more rare event.  So Fingers firmly crossed that you are right and the HP retrogression to Greenland or a Greenie-Scandi Connection pulls in the Siberian air mass, With a flow of mini lows or disturbances from the east, running east to west, as happened in 1995, and then the warmer sea anomalies could act as a benefit in convective snow, rather than As recent experience - a party-pooper - warming sufficiently to deliver just cold rain and sleet.


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Retron
18 December 2025 04:33:05
This morning's GFS op brings a widespread technical white Christmas, albeit not here!

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/45/16397/174_779UKttn6.GIF 

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The ECM-46, meanwhile, has doubled-down on the cold spell - extending it by a week, so four weeks of colder than average conditions for southern areas. The really cold anomalies have expanded and become closer on the nearby Continent, with -6 to -3C anomalies as close as Calais. The -3 to -1 anomalies now cover a much larger part of the UK, extending all the way to central Scotland.

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202512170000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202601050000 

It remains the most interesting run up to Christmas for a number of years, albeit it's still at that "just out of sensible modelling" time span! 


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
18 December 2025 04:42:58

 With a flow of mini lows or disturbances from the east, running east to west, as happened in 1995, and then the warmer sea anomalies could act as a benefit in convective snow, rather than As recent experience - a party-pooper - warming sufficiently to deliver just cold rain and sleet.

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

The SSTs are a bit of a red herring IMO. In 1993 there was 6 inches of snow here from an easterly in late November, with SSTs of 12 or 13C (and they're only half a mile away from here).

Get cold enough 850s and the lake effect kicks into action and the greater the temperature differential the greater the convection, the deeper the snow.

SSTs only really kill snow chances if it was marginal to start with. 

I continue to use -10 at 850 as a decent chance of snow marker but prefer -12. We can still get those these days but you need the easterly in place first! Even in 2018 there were corrections right up to the last minute: I went to bed one day with the models showing an overnight low of -5, woke up to see the MetO raw showing -12, it ended up as -14.8.

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILEYSDOW1/graph/2018-02-28/2018-02-28/daily 

Further aloft the 850s were shown to be -12 or so right up to the night before IMBY, they ended up as -14 or -15 depending on source.


Leysdown, north Kent
GroundhogDay
18 December 2025 04:55:13
Morning all, steady as she goes 😊

Apologies for the lack of evidence to back up my musings (I must work out how to add images/data sets to posts!), but the GFS 18ens had that 'look' about them, plus appreciable snow-rows even as far south as London! (maybe 30% on several days towards the end). 

Whatever happens from here, it's been fantastic to have so many possible options on the table pre-January. Perhaps we'll luck out and someone will be able to recreate that Dickensian Xmas picture postcard scene for TWO's gallery? I'm guessing even a hard frost would excite many after the turgid mild-fests of recent times?

Anyway, here's to another days interesting model watching 😊 I have a feeling a full-on beast may be able to stir....


Based in the snow desert that is North Northants
doctormog
18 December 2025 05:50:44
Steady as she goes seems like a fair enough summary I think. The most probable outlook over the Christmas period still seems to be a cool anticyclonic one with a likely easterly component. Details vary between runs and models.
Retron
18 December 2025 05:55:24
You know what, as it's Christmas and all, let's have an "ensemble watch". As a reminder, these are an occasional feature whereby I monitor the GEFS runs for London (via Meteociel) to see how many members - out of 32 - show -10 or lower 850s. The last one of these was in January, which ended up with a half-hour dusting at half past midnight one day - had my neighbour not taken a photo I'd never have known, for I was fast asleep!

I'll update these at least once a day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
nsrobins
18 December 2025 06:24:17

You know what, as it's Christmas and all, let's have an "ensemble watch". As a reminder, these are an occasional feature whereby I monitor the GEFS runs for London (via Meteociel) to see how many members - out of 32 - show -10 or lower 850s. The last one of these was in January, which ended up with a half-hour dusting at half past midnight one day - had my neighbour not taken a photo I'd never have known, for I was fast asleep!

I'll update these at least once a day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

Ensemble watch is back and England bring thrashed again in the Ashes - quite a nostalgic morning 😉


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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scillydave
18 December 2025 06:45:51

You know what, as it's Christmas and all, let's have an "ensemble watch". As a reminder, these are an occasional feature whereby I monitor the GEFS runs for London (via Meteociel) to see how many members - out of 32 - show -10 or lower 850s. The last one of these was in January, which ended up with a half-hour dusting at half past midnight one day - had my neighbour not taken a photo I'd never have known, for I was fast asleep!

I'll update these at least once a day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas....


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Heavy Weather 2013
18 December 2025 07:22:27

You know what, as it's Christmas and all, let's have an "ensemble watch". As a reminder, these are an occasional feature whereby I monitor the GEFS runs for London (via Meteociel) to see how many members - out of 32 - show -10 or lower 850s. The last one of these was in January, which ended up with a half-hour dusting at half past midnight one day - had my neighbour not taken a photo I'd never have known, for I was fast asleep!

I'll update these at least once a day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

Yay, I had a feeling this might be coming. These are becoming as rare as red weather warnings, so you know you have to sit up and take notice. 


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Ally Pally Snowman
18 December 2025 07:31:37
Ensemble watch is back something must be brewing...maybe.
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
ballamar
18 December 2025 07:37:46

Ensemble watch is back something must be brewing...maybe.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Just need some polar bears…..

Whiteout
18 December 2025 07:45:12

Ensemble watch is back and England bring thrashed again in the Ashes - quite a nostalgic morning 😉

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

LOL, love it Neil 


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White Meadows
18 December 2025 08:18:59
Pretty benign looking conditions over the UK interspersed with showers for the foreseeable. Mild, trending cooler but never really cold before the year ends. 

Meanwhile, much of the Alps which are bare of snow and above normal temps finally look like turning more seasonal for Christmas. 

Brian Gaze
18 December 2025 08:24:16
It’s an interesting outlook, but caution is still needed. The GEFS looks more bullish than the ECM IFS/AIFS ensembles. I’ve seen this a few times during the course of the year (not just with regard to cold), and the European output has generally come out on top. I’m not saying that will be the case this time, but it’s something to consider.

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