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Brian Gaze
08 July 2025 17:47:35

As others have said, the hottest conditions look likely to be further west, in contrast to the last spell. 

That seems especially true as the week goes on: at 6pm on Saturday UKV has 34C in the Welsh borders but just 23C in London.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Ours (which is fully available on premium already) shows 33C on Saturday and 34C on Sunday in London.


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Retron
08 July 2025 18:03:10

The heat seems to have been downgraded to high 20c for SE. for Thu-Sun. No more 30c+ according to 5 day tracker on my computer.

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gcpsvg3nc#?date=2025-07-08 

It'll change of course, but for Heathrow the MetO raw has 30, 31, 31, 29, 30 for Thursday to Monday.


Leysdown, north Kent
moomin75
08 July 2025 18:03:47

Deary me, even Ally Pally's beloved ECM AI is bad, really poor. Very disappointing set of runs all over so far.

Hopefully the regular ECM 12z can pull something better from the bag.


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Brian Gaze
08 July 2025 18:06:10

Here are the UKV charts for Saturday and Sunday. It’s quite likely there are 37°C grid points on Sunday. I wouldn’t call it a "downgrade" in terms of heat.

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doctormog
08 July 2025 18:08:00

And also a hot 12z ECM run through to the end too.


Bertwhistle
08 July 2025 18:08:57

GFS 12z for S England has lowest max at 24°C through to end of run. 18C + CET increasingly likely and mirroring the summer 76 CETs very closely for 2 months at least.

2018 2022 2025  hot summer resolution increasing


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moomin75
08 July 2025 18:09:41

Here are the UKV charts for Saturday and Sunday. It’s quite likely there are 37°C grid points on Sunday. I wouldn’t call it a "downgrade" in terms of heat.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Little doubt for a hot weekend Brian, but every single model shows a marked change after the weekend, some worse than others. Surely this is the trend towards a pattern change? The best of a bad bunch is GFS, but even that isn't great, albeit stays warm.

GEM, ICON, UKMO and ECM AI all pretty poor, with GEM and the AI model really bad.

For those who ask why I never post charts, it's basically because technically, I am illiterate and have no idea how to post images to this forum, and never have known how to.

It's as simple as that. If someone could tell me how, I would love to back up my comments with images.


Witney, Oxfordshire

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Retron
08 July 2025 18:11:12

Deary me, even Ally Pally's beloved ECM AI is bad, really poor. Very disappointing set of runs all over so far.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I agree, but I suspect your view of disappointing isn't the same as mine...

The only positive thing that can be said about this forecast for MBY from the MetO is at least it's not in the 30s. Aside from that, warm to hot, searing sunshine, no sign of any more rain any time soon...

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/leys.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
moomin75
08 July 2025 18:13:12

I agree, but I suspect your view of disappointing isn't the same as mine...

The only positive thing that can be said about this forecast for MBY from the MetO is at least it's not in the 30s. Aside from that, warm to hot, searing sunshine, no sign of any more rain any time soon...

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/leys.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

Check out the ECM AI Darren. And the GEM. Copious amounts of rainfall, and yes, GEM particularly is extremely cool, even cold! 15c in mid-July is cold in my book. I couldn't even describe that as "cool". Downright cold and in the rain will feel thoroughly Autumnal.

Flooding could become an issue later next week.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Heavy Weather 2013
08 July 2025 18:17:36

Check out the ECM AI Darren. And the GEM. Copious amounts of rainfall, and yes, GEM particularly is extremely cool, even cold! 15c in mid-July is cold in my book. I couldn't even describe that as "cool". Downright cold and in the rain will feel thoroughly Autumnal.

Flooding could become an issue later next week.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Like the washout forecast for last Thursday? It was quickly dropped and I suspect the same will happen with this time. There isn’t cross model agreement for the scenario you’ve described?


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moomin75
08 July 2025 18:19:24

Like the washout forecast for last Thursday? It was quickly dropped and I suspect the same will happen with this time. There isn’t cross model agreement for the scenario you’ve described?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

There isn't "quite" cross model support as the GFS is drier. The others are all unsettled to varying degrees. The accumulated rainfall out to day 12 on the ECM AI is around 60mm for much of England. That will lead to some flooding for sure.


Witney, Oxfordshire

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Chidog
08 July 2025 18:19:50

It's not even described by the GEM operational, as the high temperature for any day South and east of Birmingham is never lower than 19 on any day

moomin75
08 July 2025 18:21:25

It's not even described by the GEM operational, as the high temperature for any day South and east of Birmingham is never lower than 19 on any day

Originally Posted by: Chidog 

Have another look. I wish I could post images, but have no idea how to.


Witney, Oxfordshire

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Retron
08 July 2025 18:22:14

Check out the ECM AI Darren. And the GEM. Copious amounts of rainfall, and yes, GEM particularly is extremely cool, even cold! 15c in mid-July is cold in my book. I couldn't even describe that as "cool". Downright cold and in the rain will feel thoroughly Autumnal.

Flooding could become an issue later next week.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I don't rate AIFS as it's just fancy pattern matching, it's just as much prone to flip-flopping as the traditional runs. It's a tool in the toolbox, not a holy grail.

GEM is above average down here for another week, and frankly I'm not taking much notice of a forecast for a cooler day (20C) in over a week's time, any more than I would with a snowfest in winter. 

In short - for the next week, which is as far as anyone should be looking with any great certainty, it's warm to hot and dry... down here, anyway.

Here's the GEM accumulated precip chart over the next 168 hours, not exactly autumnal for those of us down here... 

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/24/24753/gemfr_21_168bcc8.png 

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Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
08 July 2025 18:22:50

The ECM and GFS runs (you know the main ones we usually look for when look for a consensus) are both well above average for the foreseeable. I suspect after some hot days there will be a trend to less hot/cooler and maybe even closer to average conditions for a while.


bledur
08 July 2025 18:23:45

Indeed. Was never looking nailed on and this is seemingly the beginning of the inevitable downgrade. Some of the charts are frankly pretty vile for next week, particularly the GEM. ICON isn't much better, UKMO shows a really heavy band of rain as early as Tuesday. 

GFS shows that trough out west having much more of an influence.

This is pretty clearly a trend now, but I'll probably be shot down for saying so.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I suggest you watch the latest Deep Dive from the Met Office. Very little chance of a breakdown and only getting "Cooler" for a while.

 The downgrade in temperatures  for more Eastern regions is due to the position of the High giving an onshore Easterly drift so relatively cooler than places further West.

Chidog
08 July 2025 18:28:51

I did. The temps for your location at 15z each day are 22, 26, 29, 31, 30, 30, 28, 26, 18 (but was 21 at 12z), 20, 22. It's a wet run after Tuesday and the AI is even wetter, but 15C it is not

moomin75
08 July 2025 18:38:28
So the ECM 12z pulls off a minor miracle and moves the trough northwest rather than southeast at 168 hours as the Azores High puts up more of a fight. Therefore, by implication, it may be a better end result than the other models this evening.

Time, as ever, will tell. But the trend is towards that pattern change of sorts.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Heavy Weather 2013
08 July 2025 18:42:07

ECM shows a similar scenario that has been hinted at by GFS. Low pressure stalls west of the UK with a quick build of pressure again from the Azores. The same rinse and repeat patters we have seen for the last few weeks.

A slight cool down looks the form horse for early next week to low to mid twenties with the potential for another heat build thereafter. 


Mark

Beckton, E London

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Bertwhistle
08 July 2025 18:44:53
Full GEFS suite now out and lowest mean max for S England 25. It actually rises at one point later in the run to 27. I make the point I made earlier- the mean alone has no value if not understood, but cluster or diverge, there's enough weighting to lift those temperatures. These are remember 30 different outcomes.
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Chidog
08 July 2025 18:47:25

Even the unsettled runs are different from each other next week so I think we are no closer to knowing. Ukmo for instance could easily allow a renewed ridge in the 48 hour timescale once the low has passed whereas AIFS properly locks the UK into an unsettled pattern. It's the first run for weeks that has shown this, so needs to be taken with salt until we see ensemble or other support. The ECM route also feels quite unlikely, I'd fancy GFS to be closest to the overall pattern but a couple hundred miles east and weather would be very different. East certainly likely best next week

David M Porter
08 July 2025 18:59:48
What I think should be noted too is that the earliest suggestion of a possible breakdown from any of the models right now is not until Monday/Tuesday next week. No-one should need me to remind them that sometimes, forecasts for only 1-2 days ahead have been subject to change, let alone anything almost a week away. 

What we can be pretty sure of right now is that between now and early next week lots very warm/hot, dry and sunny over virtually all of the UK, once the lingering fronts over NW Scotland tonight and tomorrow have cleared away. We may well have to wait until the end of this week or next weekend before the models are able to give us a clearer idea of what happens from the start of next week onwards.


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scillydave
08 July 2025 19:22:23

What I think should be noted too is that the earliest suggestion of a possible breakdown from any of the models right now is not until Monday/Tuesday next week. No-one should need me to remind them that sometimes, forecasts for only 1-2 days ahead have been subject to change, let alone anything almost a week away. 

What we can be pretty sure of right now is that between now and early next week lots very warm/hot, dry and sunny over virtually all of the UK, once the lingering fronts over NW Scotland tonight and tomorrow have cleared away. We may well have to wait until the end of this week or next weekend before the models are able to give us a clearer idea of what happens from the start of next week onwards.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I believe weather model forecast accuracy a week out is roughly 60%.

I'm not a gambling man but I'd suggest those aren't great odds.

Given (as often) there's no cross model consensus at the moment for a week from now it seems a bit premature to extrapolate a trend from them.

Perhaps someone could post the 18z chart for the 22nd July from each model and then we can compare them to the reality a week from now. 


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Chidog
08 July 2025 19:26:44
AIFS ensembles are out and the op was not a huge 850s outlier but was clearly one of the coolest and wettest options of the 50 runs
Essan
08 July 2025 19:38:24

Well it's clear to me: model output is awful tonight.  By mid month temperatures here in the S Midlands could fall as low as normal for the time of year, and rainfall totals may be nearly as much as we'd expect in the first week of the month 😮    That's almost as bad as winning the lottery!  😛  


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