LeedsLad123
20 December 2022 09:52:00
Originally Posted by: Tim A 

I don't think we have had a proper snowfall on Xmas Day either certainly not that I can remember (born 84). 
2004 -close as we had a dusting but the NW got some heavy snow. 

However 2009 was magical as there was a heavy fall on Christmas Eve and 2010 had snow on the ground but only a few cm.  If it is thick on the ground on the Day I don't mind if it came the day before.

Last year it was Boxing Day Am that had a snowfall. 

There is a chance this year if the GFS is anything to go by.  30% maybe. 
 


None of my older relatives (even my gran who’s 83) can remember snow falling & settling on Christmas Day itself. It’s always been snow falling before Christmas, with snow on the ground on Christmas Day. Having snow falling & settling on Christmas Day must be very rare in lowland UK. 

2009 was great though, deep snow on Christmas Day with blue skies, a true Christmas Card scene. I was 22 at the time and had never experienced anything like it on Christmas Day. 2010 wasn’t quite as good, just a dusting here in the east of the city but with thick rime frost after a week of subzero highs. 
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lanky
20 December 2022 10:11:26
Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

None of my older relatives (even my gran who’s 83) can remember snow falling & settling on Christmas Day itself. It’s always been snow falling before Christmas, with snow on the ground on Christmas Day. Having snow falling & settling on Christmas Day must be very rare in lowland UK. 

2009 was great though, deep snow on Christmas Day with blue skies, a true Christmas Card scene. I was 22 at the time and had never experienced anything like it on Christmas Day. 2010 wasn’t quite as good, just a dusting here in the east of the city but with thick rime frost after a week of subzero highs. 



In my neck of the woods (I lived with my parents in Bromley, Kent in those days) I remember one Christmas day when it snowed on the actual day and I would put it about 1970 from memory
 
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Retron
20 December 2022 13:22:54
Originally Posted by: lanky 

In my neck of the woods (I lived with my parents in Bromley, Kent in those days) I remember one Christmas day when it snowed on the actual day and I would put it about 1970 from memory
 


Yes, it was 1970 - the last widespread "picture postcard" White Christmas. It had happened more frequenty in the previous 50 years too.

Part of it is just rotten luck with timing: the snow last week, even the brief dusting here, would have counted, and there was a spell in the 90s where there was snow just after Christmas.

The other part is that snow events just aren't as common as they used to be (for obvious reasons); the lack of deep cold easterlies over the past couple of decades has disproportionately affected the SE of England.
Leysdown, north Kent
Jiries
20 December 2022 13:38:28
Have you notice after the boring 2 weeks bone dry spell the ground that not have rain drops on them get very wet everywhere once the mild air struck.  Went to Heathrow Terminal 5 bus stop and i notice it all wet inside and it well under cover.  I think the ground which was frozen dry became wet when mild air arrived.
Roger Parsons
20 December 2022 14:16:18
Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Have you notice after the boring 2 weeks bone dry spell the ground that not have rain drops on them get very wet everywhere once the mild air struck.  Went to Heathrow Terminal 5 bus stop and i notice it all wet inside and it well under cover.  I think the ground which was frozen dry became wet when mild air arrived.



Absolutely! I went up our local church yesterday to lock up and I could not read any of their noticeboards for condensation. Wringing wet. The porch itself looked as if it had been power-washed! I went back up this morning with two towels to clear the boards. The towels were soaked.
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NMA
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20 December 2022 15:19:14
Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Have you notice after the boring 2 weeks bone dry spell the ground that not have rain drops on them get very wet everywhere once the mild air struck.  Went to Heathrow Terminal 5 bus stop and i notice it all wet inside and it well under cover.  I think the ground which was frozen dry became wet when mild air arrived.



I visited a garage in Dorchester earlier and the floors and walls were dripping. It must the condensation forming on what are still cold surfaces I assume after the recent frosty spell.
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20 December 2022 15:26:00
Originally Posted by: NMA 

I visited a garage in Dorchester earlier and the floors and walls were dripping. It must the condensation forming on what are still cold surfaces I assume after the recent frosty spell.



At work we have a furnace room that is unheated and must be the coldest place inside on our entire site (oh the irony). Last Friday it was 0C in there. On Monday morning the place was dripping wet, the floor & walls were soaked and the metal railings on the tops of the furnaces were wet & slippery. Even today there were still small puddles on the floor.
Col
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Saint Snow
20 December 2022 15:27:26
WRT snow falling and settling on Xmas Day, we had one day in the mid-90's, pretty sure 1996, when it was really cold but dry in the lead-up. Woke up Xmas morning to about 1-2cm of fresh, powdery snow on the ground with deep blue, cloudless skies and temps well below freezing. Apparently, a rogue shower had passed over the area during the night.

Then in 2004, we were in a cool NW'ly flow that, in the afternoon, packed in heavy snow and graupel showers. Was at my wife's cousin's - 14 of us including our 1 y/o - and a few of us went outide for a snowball fight with some of their neighbours. The snow got to around 5cm and froze; that night the roads were treacherous.

Had 2009 with snow accumulating in frequent showers through the week preceding (started on the Sunday previous - think the 19th?) so there was about 10cm on the ground come Xmas Day.

Then 2010, where the entire spell was bone dry here until the preceding Friday, when we had about 4 hours of heavy snow leaving 16cm. That was the first time we went out for a meal on Xmas Eve evening, into a country pub, and it was amazing - deeper there, too, at comfortably over 20cm deep. 

Only other time I remember snow on the ground on Xmas Day is 1981 following the big fall 1/2 weeks before.

The one box I really want to tick is snow from late afternoon/early evening on Xmas Eve, and continuing through the night. Arrive at the chosen country pub with a covering; leave with a few cm's. Would be really special, that one.

 

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Jiries
20 December 2022 18:33:56
At least I am not alone seeing this unusual dampness because I never see like this before but might be common in the USA with 20C temps range in a day.  From -7C to 14C in Nuneaton that 21C range and this morning started to dry up a bit as the air are a bit drier and cooler than yesterday.
Saint Snow
20 December 2022 18:53:15
Not so much a whinge about the weather, but some members on here. The same people constantly posting miserable stuff that often has little basis in fact.

I'm going to ask Santa for some waders for Xmas, to enable me to wade through the patches of slurry in order to find useful posts from people who actually know what they're talking about and don't have a petty agenda they insist on ramming down everyone's throats.



 

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Bolty
20 December 2022 19:12:51
Talking of White Christmases, 2004 is the only one I would consider to be a true "White Christmas" in my experience, as it had snow both falling and lying. Every other instance of snow on Christmas Day where I've been has been either one or the other. 2009 and 2010 had snow lying, but they were both bright sunny days apart from that. 2020 actually had a snow shower in the afternoon, after a very cold morning. It didn't amount to anything though. 2004 is the only year I have experienced snow both falling and lying on Christmas Day.

As for this silly definition of one snowflake reaching the ground at any point during Christmas Day, I've never understood that. In that case, technically speaking, it could rain all day, then turn a bit sleety at 23:59 and it would count as a "White Christmas". As I say, it's a silly definition and really needs rethinking, but then again they probably do it like that so they can say a White Christmas happens more often than it actually does.
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doctormog
20 December 2022 19:15:00
Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Not so much a whinge about the weather, but some members on here. The same people constantly posting miserable stuff that often has little basis in fact.

I'm going to ask Santa for some waders for Xmas, to enable me to wade through the patches of slurry in order to find useful posts from people who actually know what they're talking about and don't have a petty agenda they insist on ramming down everyone's throats.

 



😂

Is there a BOGOF deal on them, if so can I get a pair too? It really is tedious isn’t it. Any counter argument to the narrative which is backed up with robust evidence is ignored too. I guess it’s some form of attention seeking issue as it was the same kind of approach in the summer to any hot/settled weather potential.
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20 December 2022 19:19:11
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Talking of White Christmases, 2004 is the only one I would consider to be a true "White Christmas" in my experience, as it had snow both falling and lying. Every other instance of snow on Christmas Day where I've been has been either one or the other. 2009 and 2010 had snow lying, but they were both bright sunny days apart from that. 2020 actually had a snow shower in the afternoon, after a very cold morning. It didn't amount to anything though. 2004 is the only year I have experienced snow both falling and lying on Christmas Day.

As for this silly definition of one snowflake reaching the ground at any point during Christmas Day, I've never understood that. In that case, technically speaking, it could rain all day, then turn a bit sleety at 23:59 and it would count as a "White Christmas". As I say, it's a silly definition and really needs rethinking, but then again they probably do it like that so they can say a White Christmas happens more often than it actually does.



Isn't it simply the same though as any other day with a single snowflake observed counting as a day with snow?
Col
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Bolty
21 December 2022 15:59:44
Anyway it's the winter solstice today, so good to know that the days start to get longer after today. The cold and the ice don't really bother me too much, but I really just can't deal with the darkness at this time of year - those pre-16:00 sunsets and the mid-afternoon dullness especially. It's just so miserable and depressing. Once Christmas is over, my mind is set firmly on spring.
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Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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Retron
21 December 2022 16:05:33
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Anyway it's the winter solstice today, so good to know that the days start to get longer after today. .


Depressing, thanks for reminding me! I love the darkness this time of year, makes getting to sleep so easy... and lends a wonderful, cosy feel to things indoors. And, of course, it means no poxy barbecues or people making a racket late into the evening!

Ah well, best make the most of the remaining couple of months of dark evenings... by the end of February it's still light-ish at 6.
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Bolty
21 December 2022 17:36:59
Originally Posted by: Retron 

Depressing, thanks for reminding me! I love the darkness this time of year, makes getting to sleep so easy... and lends a wonderful, cosy feel to things indoors. And, of course, it means no poxy barbecues or people making a racket late into the evening!

Ah well, best make the most of the remaining couple of months of dark evenings... by the end of February it's still light-ish at 6.



Pleasure!

Mind you, you'll get your chance to return the favour in June, so don't fret! 😁
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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johncs2016
21 December 2022 18:20:33
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Anyway it's the winter solstice today, so good to know that the days start to get longer after today. The cold and the ice don't really bother me too much, but I really just can't deal with the darkness at this time of year - those pre-16:00 sunsets and the mid-afternoon dullness especially. It's just so miserable and depressing. Once Christmas is over, my mind is set firmly on spring.



Personally, I don't mind the darkness at this time of the year as I find that to be a lot better than looking at those constant grey skies which are all too often, a common feature of our weather in these parts.

Having said that though, I would rather just be seeing some interesting weather for a change because that is something which we just don't get enough of here, especially in comparison with the rest of the UK. In fact, I would even go as far as saying that our weather actually used to be interesting in the past but isn't any more.

Today is actually quite a good example of that because we are in the sort of set up just now which would guaranteed to have brought some showery weather here which might not have nice to have been out and about in, but would have at least generated some nice-looking rainbows and that to me would have at least been "interesting" as a result.

Now, we're getting nothing like that here whatsoever and all we are getting is just windy weather with some cloud and perhaps some sunshine with little or no variation in the temperatures. That is the most boring weather type you could possibly come across and I'm sick and tired of seeing virtually nothing but that for most of the time.😡
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Matty H
21 December 2022 20:28:20
Great news. That’s the shortest day over with. Next stop, Spring. Always races around once the Xmas period is over. 
The Beast from the East
21 December 2022 20:43:05
Originally Posted by: Retron 

Depressing, thanks for reminding me! I love the darkness this time of year, makes getting to sleep so easy... and lends a wonderful, cosy feel to things indoors. And, of course, it means no poxy barbecues or people making a racket late into the evening!

Ah well, best make the most of the remaining couple of months of dark evenings... by the end of February it's still light-ish at 6.



Ha Ha, I hate dark mornings though, as I cant get up, whereas in the summer I can easily wake up about 6 even if had gone to bed at 3 pissed off my face. 
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Matty H
21 December 2022 20:45:19
Originally Posted by: Retron 

Depressing, thanks for reminding me! I love the darkness this time of year, makes getting to sleep so easy... and lends a wonderful, cosy feel to things indoors. And, of course, it means no poxy barbecues or people making a racket late into the evening!

Ah well, best make the most of the remaining couple of months of dark evenings... by the end of February it's still light-ish at 6.



Good. Sooner the better. Winter is utter w***

Soon be Spring, though, then hopefully months of extreme heat again

as I know you turn into chocolate in summer I hope you get a spring and summer of rain and wind to keep you happy. 
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