Rob K
14 July 2022 10:46:42

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Smarkets are offering [effectively] evens


Tempted to put £100 on or something, but have never used Smarkets before


https://smarkets.com/event/42808150/politics/current-affairs/environment/2022/07/31/12-00/uk-record-temperature-to-be-broken


 


 



I have used Smarkets (before I put a block on all gambling sites ). Low liquidity in general but never had any problems with it.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Quantum
14 July 2022 10:47:07

6Z set not as extreme as the 0Z. The heat is pushed away too quickly on the 19th where the uppers have the potential to be at their highest.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Heavy Weather 2013
14 July 2022 10:48:57

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I have used Smarkets (before I put a block on all gambling sites ). Low liquidity in general but never had any problems with it.



Ive used it, and I did the same. I was doing this Odd Matching stuff which was great until I got hooked on slots. Anyways a story for another day.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
14 July 2022 10:49:55
P21 has 35, 42, 43 for Sun, Mon, Tue.

The GEFS are ridiculous. From a quick skim I'd say around half hit 40C.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Heavy Weather 2013
14 July 2022 10:50:35
Average mean on GFS now peaks at 23.7 up from 22.4 on the 0z
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
14 July 2022 10:52:32

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Average mean on GFS now peaks at 23.7 up from 22.4 on the 0z


The mean actually has the 24C isotherm over the UK. This is crazy stuff.



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
moomin75
14 July 2022 10:52:34
Putting aside this exceptional spell coming up, what I'm loving more than anything is how settled it is looking longer term too.
A properly good summer is developing here. GFS 6Z just keeps the dry and warm weather going, with always the chance of another plume of exceptional warmth too.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Quantum
14 July 2022 10:53:48

The 6Z runs do offer some 40C solutions, but I still have at the back of my mind how much more extreme they could be.


Most of the heat is being pushed out on the 19th, and yet we still have 42C+ in parts of the east.


How much hotter could it really be if the heat lasted just one more day?


 


Here's a hint. Hull is not the hottest part of the UK, and should never hold the UK record.


A direct hit on the UK with the same plume would be 3C+ hotter in the London Area or near Cambridge.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
14 July 2022 10:59:56

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I have used Smarkets (before I put a block on all gambling sites ). Low liquidity in general but never had any problems with it.



 




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Col
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14 July 2022 11:03:29

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The 6Z runs do offer some 40C solutions, but I still have at the back of my mind how much more extreme they could be.


Most of the heat is being pushed out on the 19th, and yet we still have 42C+ in parts of the east.


How much hotter could it really be if the heat lasted just one more day?


 


Here's a hint. Hull is not the hottest part of the UK, and should never hold the UK record.


A direct hit on the UK with the same plume would be 3C+ hotter in the London Area or near Cambridge.


 



A rather strange thing to say. The record is where the record does, there's no 'should' about it. Cheltenham isn't the warmest part of the UK either (though I believe there is some kind of a micro-climate going on in the lower Severn valley) yet that place held the record for 13 years.


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
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Quantum
14 July 2022 11:11:05

Originally Posted by: Col 


 


A rather strange thing to say. The record is where the record does, there's no 'should' about it. Cheltenham isn't the warmest part of the UK either (though I believe there is some kind of a micro-climate going on in the lower Severn valley) yet that place held the record for 13 years.



The point I'm trying to make is that Hull is not naturally disposed to be the hottest part of the UK. The fact it is shown to be in some of these runs suggest that other parts of the UK are being handicapped which they are.


Take the same plume and push it over the spine of the country and instead of having a max of 43C in the Hull area, you'd have a max of 46C somewhere in the SE.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Ally Pally Snowman
14 July 2022 11:13:31

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


The point I'm trying to make is that Hull is not naturally disposed to be the hottest part of the UK. The fact it is shown to be in some of these runs suggest that other parts of the UK are being handicapped which they are.


Take the same plume and push it over the spine of the country and instead of having a max of 43C in the Hull area, you'd have a max of 46C somewhere in the SE.


 



Maybe on tomorrows 6z lol.


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Quantum
14 July 2022 11:14:26

uploaded image


Another example. The record for france is currently in the Red area. However I strongly believe this is a 'soft' record and the part of france with the highest potential for extreme heat is in Blue.


In the UK you take the perfect synoptic scenario and the SE always has more potential than Yorkshire to create extreme temperatures.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
14 July 2022 11:20:27

Let me give an example that makes this point clearer.


There are alot of parkruns across the UK (weekly 5km races). Imagine you take a fairly rocky course with hills and a proffesional athlete choses to run that course (because maybe he lives nearby) and beats the all time course record.


Now that parkrun is suddenly the fastest parkrun in the country. But only because a proffesional athlete just happened to run it. In reality the course with the most potential will be flat with no hills and could boast a better time.


 


In the same way, when you see Hull breaking temperature records, that immediately implies wasted potential and an even higher temperature that would have been achived under only marginally different synoptic conditions.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
14 July 2022 11:22:46

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


uploaded image


Another example. The record for france is currently in the Red area. However I strongly believe this is a 'soft' record and the part of france with the highest potential for extreme heat is in Blue.


In the UK you take the perfect synoptic scenario and the SE always has more potential than Yorkshire to create extreme temperatures.


 



Recent GFS runs have had potential record maxima in the blue area. Could be there next week.


 


Anyway at least if Yorkshire takes the record it will leave the way open for a Heathrow 45C in a few years!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Quantum
14 July 2022 11:25:30

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Recent GFS runs have had potential record maxima in the blue area. Could be there next week.


 


Anyway at least if Yorkshire takes the record it will leave the way open for a Heathrow 45C in a few years!



Indeed. Canada is another example, does anyone seriously believe the month of June has more potential than the month of July.


Though that scenario was so snyoptically bonkers that it isn't falling anytime soon. In fact that Canada heatwave, imo is the most extreme weather event we will ever see in any of our lives.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
superteacher
14 July 2022 11:27:42

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Recent GFS runs have had potential record maxima in the blue area. Could be there next week.


 


Anyway at least if Yorkshire takes the record it will leave the way open for a Heathrow 45C in a few years!



 


I would think that the GFS is shunting the heat away too quickly on Tuesday - if this is the case, I'd expect a location in the SE to be the hottest place.


 


I'd bet money against Hull getting the record - and I have nothing against Hull by the way!

Quantum
14 July 2022 11:29:38

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


 


 


I would think that the GFS is shunting the heat away too quickly on Tuesday - if this is the case, I'd expect a location in the SE to be the hottest place.


 


I'd bet money against Hull getting the record - and I have nothing against Hull by the way!



If you are right, then we need to be prepared because 40C will be widespread if the heat isn't shunted away on Tuesday.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gusty
14 July 2022 11:32:37

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/temperatures-2m-hd/3h.htm


Its going to happen isn't it 


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14 July 2022 11:36:41
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