Quantum
03 October 2020 12:12:59

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


Why?



Crude answer.


Higher latitudes warm faster, jet stream becomes stronger, shear in the tropics gets higher, makes formation more difficult.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
DEW
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03 October 2020 21:05:35

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Crude answer.


Higher latitudes warm faster, jet stream becomes stronger, shear in the tropics gets higher, makes formation more difficult.


 



But couldn't the extra shear give what we've seen this year, storms starting up (more frequently because of warmer seas) but getting cut off by the shear before they can really develop?


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tallyho_83
03 October 2020 21:29:49

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Crude answer.


Higher latitudes warm faster, jet stream becomes stronger, shear in the tropics gets higher, makes formation more difficult.


 



I did wonder why it is the fact that we are having well above tropical activity/storms but very few hurricanes despite the Tropical Atlantic having well above average SST's.  


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DEW
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04 October 2020 06:44:06

Anyway, this morning there's definitely one to watch in the Caribbean with 60/80% probabilities in  2/5 days of development this week - and a couple of less certain ones out on the Atlantic


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Chichester 12m asl
tallyho_83
04 October 2020 16:41:10

Just looking at this area of disturbance in the central Caribbean sea  - however despite it's 70/80% chance of developing i can't see this appearing on the GFS model runs!? - Or does it need to develop for it to show up on the models!?



 


120 hrs - Looks like there's is little activity



 


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DEW
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04 October 2020 19:22:50

Forecast for development into TS Delta and (by most models)a hurricane approaching New Orleans by Thursday


https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/10/tropical-storm-delta-likely-to-form-by-tuesday/ 


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Chichester 12m asl
tallyho_83
04 October 2020 23:49:28

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Forecast for development into TS Delta and (by most models)a hurricane approaching New Orleans by Thursday


https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/10/tropical-storm-delta-likely-to-form-by-tuesday/ 



Yes here we are - Heading for New Orleans and as a potential Hurricane.



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The Beast from the East
05 October 2020 08:37:46

Delta still south of Jamaica


https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/floater.php?stormid=AL262020


 


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The Beast from the East
05 October 2020 13:45:56

Growing potential for Delta


 




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05 October 2020 13:56:42


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tallyho_83
05 October 2020 17:55:36

Copied from NHC from NOAA:


ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Tropical Storm Delta Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL262020
1100 AM EDT Mon Oct 05 2020

The convective structure of Delta has continued to improve this
morning. Earlier microwave data and early-light visible satellite
imagery showed that the center of the tropical cyclone re-formed
farther south within the area of deep convection. Since that time,
banding has continued to increase around the southern and eastern
portion of the circulation, and a small CDO-like feature has formed.
The intensity has been set at 40 kt, which is a blend of the
subjective Dvorak estimate from TAFB and objective satellite
intensity estimates from UW/CIMSS. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft
is scheduled to investigate the tropical storm this afternoon, which
should provide a better assessment of the cyclone's intensity,
structure, and wind field.

With the earlier center re-formation, the initial motion estimate is
a somewhat uncertain 280/6 kt. Delta is expected to resume a
west-northwestward motion later today. A northwestward heading
around the southwestern portion of a deep-layer ridge should begin
tonight or Tuesday, and that general motion with some increase in
forward speed is expected to continue through 60-72 hours. After
that time, a broad mid- to upper-level trough is forecast to develop
over the south-central United States, which should weaken the
western portion of the ridge and cause Delta to turn northward
toward the northern Gulf Coast. After day 4, Delta should begin to
accelerate north-northeastward or northeastward ahead of the
aforementioned trough. The new NHC track forecast has been adjusted
to the south and west of the previous advisory during the first
couple of days, primarily due to the recent center re-formation and
more southward initial position. After that time, the NHC track is
not much different than the previous forecast and lies near the
center of the tightly clustered dynamical model envelope.

Delta is forecast to traverse very warm waters over the northwestern
Caribbean Sea and be in a very low vertical wind shear environment
during the next couple of days. These conditions should allow for
significant strengthening during that time, and the NHC intensity
forecast is at or above the various intensity aids. It is somewhat
surprising that the intensity aids were generally a little lower
this cycle, but the expected low shear and SHIPS rapid
intensification index support the higher than climatological rate
of intensification. After 72 hours, increasing southwesterly shear
and the cooler shelf waters over the northern Gulf are likely to
induce some weakening later in the period. The updated NHC
intensity forecast calls for a faster rate of intensification over
the next 48-60 hours, but is similar to the previous advisory
thereafter.

Key Messages:

1. Tropical storm conditions are expected in the Cayman Islands
beginning late today or tonight, and a Tropical Storm Warning is
in effect.

2. Dangerous storm surge and hurricane conditions are expected in
portions of western Cuba by Tuesday afternoon, and a Hurricane
Warning is in effect.

3. Heavy rainfall will affect portions of Jamaica, the Cayman
Islands, and western Cuba during the next few days. This rainfall
could lead to significant flash flooding and mudslides.

4. Delta is forecast to approach the northern Gulf Coast late this
week as a hurricane. While there is large uncertainty in the track
and intensity forecasts at these time ranges, there is an increasing
risk of dangerous storm surge, wind, and rainfall hazards along the
coast from Louisiana to the western Florida Panhandle. Residents in
these areas should monitor the progress of Delta and check for
updates to the forecast during the week.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 05/1500Z 16.4N 78.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 06/0000Z 17.1N 79.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 06/1200Z 18.7N 81.7W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 07/0000Z 20.8N 84.3W 75 KT 85 MPH
48H 07/1200Z 22.8N 86.8W 85 KT 100 MPH
60H 08/0000Z 24.6N 89.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
72H 08/1200Z 26.0N 90.7W 90 KT 105 MPH
96H 09/1200Z 28.8N 91.1W 85 KT 100 MPH
120H 10/1200Z 33.1N 88.2W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Brown

NNNN

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/051453.shtml?


 


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tallyho_83
05 October 2020 18:13:23

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Copied from NHC from NOAA:


ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Tropical Storm Delta Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL262020
1100 AM EDT Mon Oct 05 2020

The convective structure of Delta has continued to improve this
morning. Earlier microwave data and early-light visible satellite
imagery showed that the center of the tropical cyclone re-formed
farther south within the area of deep convection. Since that time,
banding has continued to increase around the southern and eastern
portion of the circulation, and a small CDO-like feature has formed.
The intensity has been set at 40 kt, which is a blend of the
subjective Dvorak estimate from TAFB and objective satellite
intensity estimates from UW/CIMSS. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft
is scheduled to investigate the tropical storm this afternoon, which
should provide a better assessment of the cyclone's intensity,
structure, and wind field.

With the earlier center re-formation, the initial motion estimate is
a somewhat uncertain 280/6 kt. Delta is expected to resume a
west-northwestward motion later today. A northwestward heading
around the southwestern portion of a deep-layer ridge should begin
tonight or Tuesday, and that general motion with some increase in
forward speed is expected to continue through 60-72 hours. After
that time, a broad mid- to upper-level trough is forecast to develop
over the south-central United States, which should weaken the
western portion of the ridge and cause Delta to turn northward
toward the northern Gulf Coast. After day 4, Delta should begin to
accelerate north-northeastward or northeastward ahead of the
aforementioned trough. The new NHC track forecast has been adjusted
to the south and west of the previous advisory during the first
couple of days, primarily due to the recent center re-formation and
more southward initial position. After that time, the NHC track is
not much different than the previous forecast and lies near the
center of the tightly clustered dynamical model envelope.

Delta is forecast to traverse very warm waters over the northwestern
Caribbean Sea and be in a very low vertical wind shear environment
during the next couple of days. These conditions should allow for
significant strengthening during that time, and the NHC intensity
forecast is at or above the various intensity aids. It is somewhat
surprising that the intensity aids were generally a little lower
this cycle, but the expected low shear and SHIPS rapid
intensification index support the higher than climatological rate
of intensification. After 72 hours, increasing southwesterly shear
and the cooler shelf waters over the northern Gulf are likely to
induce some weakening later in the period. The updated NHC
intensity forecast calls for a faster rate of intensification over
the next 48-60 hours, but is similar to the previous advisory
thereafter.

Key Messages:

1. Tropical storm conditions are expected in the Cayman Islands
beginning late today or tonight, and a Tropical Storm Warning is
in effect.

2. Dangerous storm surge and hurricane conditions are expected in
portions of western Cuba by Tuesday afternoon, and a Hurricane
Warning is in effect.

3. Heavy rainfall will affect portions of Jamaica, the Cayman
Islands, and western Cuba during the next few days. This rainfall
could lead to significant flash flooding and mudslides.

4. Delta is forecast to approach the northern Gulf Coast late this
week as a hurricane. While there is large uncertainty in the track
and intensity forecasts at these time ranges, there is an increasing
risk of dangerous storm surge, wind, and rainfall hazards along the
coast from Louisiana to the western Florida Panhandle. Residents in
these areas should monitor the progress of Delta and check for
updates to the forecast during the week.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 05/1500Z 16.4N 78.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 06/0000Z 17.1N 79.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 06/1200Z 18.7N 81.7W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 07/0000Z 20.8N 84.3W 75 KT 85 MPH
48H 07/1200Z 22.8N 86.8W 85 KT 100 MPH
60H 08/0000Z 24.6N 89.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
72H 08/1200Z 26.0N 90.7W 90 KT 105 MPH
96H 09/1200Z 28.8N 91.1W 85 KT 100 MPH
120H 10/1200Z 33.1N 88.2W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Brown

NNNN

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/051453.shtml?


 



If it's forecast to be 45mph at landfall or inland then surely it's not much cause for concern!? 


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DEW
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05 October 2020 19:01:15

Instead of a long and verbose summay, look at 
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/174744.shtml?cone#contents
which shows landfall as a hurricane >74mph.


Review on 
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/10/tropical-storm-delta-forms-in-the-caribbean/ 
with charts and this quote
Delta could be anywhere between a strong tropical storm and a category 3 hurricane at landfall in the U.S., with the official NHC forecast of a category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds a reasonable prediction.


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Chichester 12m asl
Quantum
05 October 2020 19:51:58

Gamma only barely looks like a TC to me. The deep convection is thousands of miles to the north of the low level centre. Should be declassified by tommorow as a remenant low.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
nsrobins
05 October 2020 22:45:17
Delta looks to be on a rapid intensification cycle. I suspect estimates of strength as the storm approaches the Gulf Coast will need to be revised upward.
Also don’t rule out some form of interaction with the remnants of Gamma.
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Stormchaser, Member TORRO
picturesareme
06 October 2020 00:27:40
Delta now a hurricane and likely to become a major hurricane as it approaches the yucatan - cancun looks to be in the firingline.
DEW
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  • Advanced Member Topic Starter
06 October 2020 06:34:45

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Delta looks to be on a rapid intensification cycle. I suspect estimates of strength as the storm approaches the Gulf Coast will need to be revised upward.
Also don’t rule out some form of interaction with the remnants of Gamma.


Intensity forecasts keep getting revised upward - a bad sign.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
nsrobins
06 October 2020 08:50:09

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


Intensity forecasts keep getting revised upward - a bad sign.



The only thing that will save the Gulf Coast from the effects of impact by a major Cat 3/4 hurricane is the cooler strip of shallower water in the northern Gulf. Wind shear tend to be less of an influence with big storms so the 20-25mph shear is unlikely to have an effect.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
tallyho_83
06 October 2020 09:22:46

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


The only thing that will save the Gulf Coast from the effects of impact by a major Cat 3/4 hurricane is the cooler strip of shallower water in the northern Gulf. Wind shear tend to be less of an influence with big storms so the 20-25mph shear is unlikely to have an effect.



Yes I looked at the SST's in the Gulf - how come it's 72'F of 21c off the northern Gulf of Mexico - it's some 10c cooler than other parts? is it because of colder weather or previous storms?


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Quantum
06 October 2020 09:46:41

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


But couldn't the extra shear give what we've seen this year, storms starting up (more frequently because of warmer seas) but getting cut off by the shear before they can really develop?



That's an interesting take and plausible.


The counterargument is that stronger storms are more shear resistant although that only really kicks in by the time you get to major status.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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