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White Meadows
06 February 2019 20:53:53
De Bilt ensembles suggest something starting to stir out east:

http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&ecmwfpluim 

johncs2016
06 February 2019 20:58:09

 

After all this rain we really could do with some dry weather...

 

But GFS say's NO!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I will quite happily swap places with you on that because rain is something which we don't tend to get a lot of here these days and although others may well disagree with me, I would say that we really could do with getting that rainfall here as it's been so dry for so long now (that stretches all the way to before last summer here).

From what I am seeing, we are likely to get some rain over the coming days which is already helping to ensure that this month won't be anything like as dry as what January was in this part of the world.

However, it then doesn't take long for high pressure to build in again according to the latest model output. This has been ongoing since last May and as long as that continues, we are never going to be able to get even close to getting a wetter than average month in this part of the world.

For that reason, the last thing which I am going to be doing is complaining about getting too much rain here, whereas there will no doubt be a number of farmers and growers in this area who will be complaining about not getting enough rain, and who will therefore be very unhappy with the latest model output at the moment.

 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Arcus
06 February 2019 21:01:24

Well the ECM ensembles show the block in the right place post 168 - so still out in FI but signs growing of a block in a reasonable place
Martin

Originally Posted by: marting 

Indeed. I get why some might not pin any hopes on any significant cold, but the trend is interesting, and I would not rule out a flip in that mid term range that would also imply colder air coming into play, as per the MetO outlook that's currently rated as low probability. 


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Quantum
06 February 2019 21:14:45

18Z ICON is more amplified than 12Z ICON.

If this trend keeps going we should see a quite sudden flip towards scandi highs everywhere.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Saint Snow
06 February 2019 21:31:40

18Z ICON is more amplified than 12Z ICON.

If this trend keeps going we should see a quite sudden flip towards scandi highs everywhere.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

 

Call me old fashioned, but I tend expect Scandi highs to be located over Scandi.


Martin

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Arcus
06 February 2019 21:39:10

 

 

Call me old fashioned, but I tend expect Scandi highs to be located over Scandi.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Have you not seen the rise in prices at Ikea lately? 

...

Anyway, a crunch point coming up in terms of how the models deal with the complex troughing and ridging to follow, but the trend on the ECM ens in the mid- to long- is a) far more volatile, and b) trending down. May well come to nought, but maintains some interest.

 


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Karl Guille
06 February 2019 22:26:19

A small step in the right direction on the GFS 18z Op!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Quantum
06 February 2019 22:33:56

 

 

Call me old fashioned, but I tend expect Scandi highs to be located over Scandi.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Looks over scandi to me.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
06 February 2019 22:35:29

De Bilt ensembles suggest something starting to stir out east:

http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&ecmwfpluim

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Yes indeed.. though GFS not really interested...

ECMWF Windrichting

GFS Windrichting


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Chiltern Blizzard
06 February 2019 22:48:16

 

Looks over scandi to me.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

More northern Russia ridging a little into Scandi


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
ballamar
06 February 2019 22:55:42
Lovely gfs run could outdo last year
Ally Pally Snowman
06 February 2019 22:59:15

Lovely gfs run could outdo last year

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

 

Yes and after the ECM something could be brewing. Scandi followed by Greenie high would be nice.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
06 February 2019 22:59:59

The trend is good anyway. A little more WAA is making all the difference. Based on 60hr from the GFSP I expect it to be a bit better too.

The ultimate hope is we can get a 'faux cold' scandi that eventually evolves into a greenland high but that seems a little too much to hope for.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
06 February 2019 23:01:29

One real advantage of the govt shutdown is the delay to the model transfer. So now we have two different high res GFS runs! I will be sad when it does transfer over and we are back to just 1.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
06 February 2019 23:06:03

I feel like the trend is going to continue and we will end up with a full blown scandi high. Everyone will get excited and the MO thread will be packed again. And then the trend will reverse and it will all dissapear.

Being a model watcher is so stressful


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
06 February 2019 23:09:58

The difference between WAA on 96h between the 12Z and 18Z on the GFSP is very significant. Expecting a major scandi high on this run.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
06 February 2019 23:16:39

Major upgrade also on the NAVGEM18Z

Not far from a link up of the mid atlantic and arctic high.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
06 February 2019 23:23:45

NAVGEM ends like this.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

nsrobins
06 February 2019 23:26:51

If this keeps up we might see the WIO crew scuttling back from their spring breaks 😊
More than half GEFS now build heights to the NE with a few going on to retrogress to Greenland - and so here we go again?


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Gandalf The White
06 February 2019 23:46:19

If this keeps up we might see the WIO crew scuttling back from their spring breaks 😊
More than half GEFS now build heights to the NE with a few going on to retrogress to Greenland - and so here we go again?

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

WIO v WINO....

ECM 12z ensemble suite for London shows a clear trend towards a return of colder weather. The op was amongst the colder cluster but quite well supported. Beyond day 10 the colder options reduce somewhat.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
07 February 2019 00:20:26

How did i guess the 18z Operational was a cold outlier in it's ensembles?

I guess this will mean a gradual downgrade tomorrow or am I being too pessimistic?

Some X model agreement at 240:

ECM

 

Para:


 

Control:


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)


Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

07 February 2019 04:58:28

0z ICON spins up a nasty low for the south on Sunday morning. Not quite as potent as the 12z chart yesterday but still very significant. Strong winds and snow risk as the colder air digs in.

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/9109/iconeu_uk1-2-78-0_gsw5.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/4243/iconeu_uk1-42-81-0_mjt7.png

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
07 February 2019 05:41:33

 

 

Call me old fashioned, but I tend expect Scandi highs to be located over Scandi.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

   Not completely wasted Saint!


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Chiltern Blizzard
07 February 2019 06:29:59

Trend to a colder setup continues... both GFS op and para end up with Greenland highs.... the para being particularly tasty!... All too far out to be taken seriously at the moment.  Roughly half the ens do too... not all of them lead to especially cold conditions though due to the GH’s relationship with other areas of HP and LPs.


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Karl Guille
07 February 2019 06:47:22

ECM remains resolute in its determination to bring in an easterly in a week's time.


St. Sampson

Guernsey

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