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Gandalf The White
08 January 2019 18:43:22

 

 

Awaiting a licencing agreement from Carlsberg

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

As in 'Carlsberg don't do let-downs but if they did.....'


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

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doctormog
08 January 2019 18:44:43

 

 

or Stella :)

Originally Posted by: Notty 

Or Domino’s? 

While we wait the ECM 12z is coming out and maintains the theme of a switch to more unsettled conditions midmonth. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_192_1.png 

EDIT: I actually prefer the next chart

 

No need for a 300+ club or any nonsense about the changes being at 384hrs. They were a week or so ago.


Arcus
08 January 2019 18:50:23

 

Or Domino’s? 

While we wait the ECM 12z is coming out and maintains the theme of a switch to more unsettled conditions midmonth. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_192_1.png 

 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Plus the trend toward ever-more southerly tracking lows, and the Azores High retreating to.. errrr, The Azores. 


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Ally Pally Snowman
08 January 2019 18:50:35

 

Or Domino’s? 

While we wait the ECM 12z is coming out and maintains the theme of a switch to more unsettled conditions midmonth. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_192_1.png 

 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

Indeed -10c 850s into Scotland by day 9 the 17th.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Chunky Pea
08 January 2019 18:51:22

Awaiting a licencing agreement from Carlsberg

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

'If Carlsberg did..."  must have been one of the most successful marketing campaigns ever. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Whiteout
08 January 2019 18:54:10

 

 

Indeed -10c 850s into Scotland by day 9 the 17th.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

oh yes, am liking that chart lol 


Home/Work - Dartmoor

240m/785 ft asl

Rob K
08 January 2019 18:56:10
Looks like ECM is clambering on board the cold train.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Arcus
08 January 2019 18:57:26

 

'If Carlsberg did..."  must have been one of the most successful marketing campaigns ever. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I'd nominate Blackcurrant Tango myself for directly causing an earthquake in the UK's political and economic system.

Anyway, ECM 240, and the Jet's on its Jollies into Africa.


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Whiteout
08 January 2019 18:58:45

Looks like ECM is clambering on board the cold train.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I reckon so Rob, that 240 chart looks like LP’s ready to slide into very cold air 


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Ally Pally Snowman
08 January 2019 19:07:23

 

oh yes, am liking that chart lol 

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 

 

Nice upgrades today and cold spell brought forward to the 17th!


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
jhall
08 January 2019 19:15:07

When does the GFS P 12z come out?

Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 

I wonder if it might have successfully completed its testing period, and with effect from the 12Z has actually superseded the old model as the operational, but NOAA forgot to tell anyone. If so, then there won't be any more parallel runs. Burt I suppose a more likely possibility is that, with the US government shutdown, NOAA no longer has enough money to run the parallel model in addition to the operational one. All speculation, of course, and it will probably just turn out to be some hardware fault delaying things.


Cranleigh, Surrey
doctormog
08 January 2019 19:16:24
It’s always a risk, reading too much into individual operational run charts. It needs to be the ensemble data but with an eye on any trend in op runs. Both of these are encouraging at the moment but don’t be surprised to see a few less cold options around even if we do end up at a wintry destination. We’re steadily heading in the “right direction” (if you want wintry weather) with no real change in the timescale but it is still early days.
doctormog
08 January 2019 19:19:03

 

I wonder if it might have successfully completed its testing period, and with effect from the 12Z has actually superseded the old model as the operational, but NOAA forgot to tell anyone. If so, then there won't be any more parallel runs. Burt I suppose a more likely possibility is that, with the US government shutdown, NOAA no longer has enough money to run the parallel model in addition to the operational one. All speculation, of course, and it will probably just turn out to be some hardware fault delaying things.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

The target date I have read was by the end of January so I think it is probably just a blip rather than the fact the GFSP (FV3) has replaced the GFS.


tallyho_83
08 January 2019 19:27:51

ECM @ 240 Shows uppers of -7 and -9c widely at 850hpa with -10c knocking on the door of N. Scotland:

 


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Russwirral
08 January 2019 19:27:53

GEFS finally starting to look less like "interpretable scatter" and instead more  to "something is brewing"

Finally... its taken a while


tallyho_83
08 January 2019 19:33:58
Why is the 12z parallel run showing yesterday's and SUnday's run?

Anyone else having this issue?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&time=3&run=12&lid=PARA&h=0&tr=3&mv=0 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Arcus
08 January 2019 19:36:55

GEFS finally starting to look less like "interpretable scatter" and instead more  to "something is brewing"

Finally... its taken a while

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

It's bang on target that the NWP is starting to pick up on the possible trend to colder conditions. The SSW video on the Media thread features a good graphic showing how the downwelling of reversal/disruption was due to hit the troposphere during this period (well worth a watch).  


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

ballamar
08 January 2019 19:43:43
Change starting to show whether it can get the cold to all parts remains to be seen. Northern areas look like it will be first to get fun
Gandalf The White
08 January 2019 20:00:35

 

The target date I have read was by the end of January so I think it is probably just a blip rather than the fact the GFSP (FV3) has replaced the GFS.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

There's  a note on the Meteociel site saying 'GFS(P) is late'


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Bertwhistle
08 January 2019 20:15:16

 

The 12z GEFS ensemble data are out 

London

 

Aberdeen

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Nice to see.

Aberdeen- the mean dips below -5 on 17th and stays below it; in London, it takes until 20th but still stays down.

This all fits well with earlier suggestions by several MOD posters that this would be about the time we'd see any tropospheric predictions following the well-modelled stratospheric event.

All to watch for still, though, as recent cold has all been about 10°-30° E of us so far- but that may be due to other cooling events.


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White Meadows
08 January 2019 20:29:38

If you watch the ECM 12z animation the whole NH sypnotics go from clockwise pressure flow into reverse just after 168hrs, and frozen air spills out of Russia. 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=240&run=12&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref

 

Steve Murr
08 January 2019 20:31:41
Notty
08 January 2019 20:37:09

If you watch the ECM 12z animation the whole NH sypnotics go from clockwise pressure flow into reverse just after 168hrs, and frozen air spills out of Russia. 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=240&run=12&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

yes indeedy - hope reality follows the model :)


Notty

Pontypool, 132m asl

Shropshire
08 January 2019 20:49:27

I would advse caution at this stage - cold spells counted down from T200 plus almost never verify, and we see spanners thrown in the works when we come inside T200.

Unexpected height rises over Iberia etc..we've all been around long enough to know that a couple of topplers could be all that comes of this before the jet fires up. Certainly never assume a meridional will sustain.

 


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krusty
08 January 2019 21:02:45

winter is over 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

 

say it pleeeese 


69 Meters or 227 Feet ASL

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