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Whether Idle
09 January 2019 07:31:11

The Azores High is not be underestimated.  It continues to be a dominant force in our weather, this FI snapshot from 0zGFS run for 23rd January (into the last third) is indicative of how it can readily throw very mild air over the UK from the SW approaches.  More of a wedge than a slice. I would be very cautious about the prospects for cold weather dominating later in the month, all the while the Azores High is alive and kicking.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 07:34:18

The Azores High is not be underestimated.  It continues to be a dominant force in our weather, this FI snapshot from 0zGFS run for 23rd January (into the last third) is indicative of how it can readily throw very mild air over the UK from the SW approaches.  More of a wedge than a slice. I would be very cautious about the prospects for cold weather dominating later in the month, all the while the Azores High is alive and kicking.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Yes - but the op was a very clear outlier at that point. Possible but currently an unlikely outcome.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



doctormog
09 January 2019 07:39:08

Edit: Removed outdated GFSP chart

Overall no change in trend or timescale this morning.


Brian Gaze
09 January 2019 07:40:39

The GFSP has been more consistent than the op in the longer range (and verifying better in the shorter range). At the above time point it shows this http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSPARAEU00_348_1.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

That's yesterday's run?


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Arbroath 1320
09 January 2019 07:41:55

Clear signal on the GEFS for colder conditions later this month. A couple of caveats:

1) There are a number of big dippers on the plot but very few runs are staying in the trench for long. That suggests the probability of cold and mild air blocks being close to the UK without one firmly having the upper hand. Without looking at the details, it would typically mean that snow is more likely in the north.

2) The 30 year 850hPa mean ticks up during the middle of June. Someone posted a WZ link and it appears consistent with the TWO plots, so I don't think it is an artefact. The effect is to make the dip in 850s look a little more pronounced than it is.   

Despite 1 & 2 the outlook in my view is interesting but I would urge a lot of caution at this stage.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/ensemble-forecast.aspx?location=London

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

A good summary. Not much has changed in the outlook this morning. The 00z GEFS suite screams cold zonality out to the end of January with the Azores high poking its nose in now and again to calm things down and raise temperatures. Pretty bog standard Winter fare. Good for the Scottish ski resorts who have had a grim season to date.


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Whether Idle
09 January 2019 07:41:58

 

Yes - but the op was a very clear outlier at that point. Possible but currently an unlikely outcome.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Its way too far away to be confident of anything.  Im highlighting the uncertainty, and drawing attention to the dangers of believing ensembles at a long distance.  I suspect the Azores High will end up scuppering the first attempt(s) to establish cold from the N/ NE.


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JACKO4EVER
09 January 2019 07:43:19
Morning all, until any of the cold output gets into the reliable then it’s all conjecture. Hints of something stirring, that’s all. In the meantime some useable weather, we might even get to record the odd frost if skies clear.
doctormog
09 January 2019 07:45:59

 

That's yesterday's run?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Ah yes, so it is! WZ normally highlights the runs in red when they are out of date. The other points still stand and you know something is brewing when we start to highlight the milder options in FI as possibilities rather than the main body of evidence.

Of course absolutely nothing is guaranteed but the timescale and trend have been very very consistent for ten days or so now - Mid-month change to more unsettled and then cold shots, with some options for more.


Brian Gaze
09 January 2019 07:48:20

 

Ah yes, so it is! WZ normally highlights the runs in red when they are out of date. The other points still stand and you know something is brewing when we start to highlight the milder options in FI as possibilities rather than the main body of evidence.

Of course absolutely nothing is guaranteed but the timescale and trend have been very very consistent for ten days or so now - Mid-month change to more unsettled and then cold shots, with some options for more.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Yesterday's GFSP 06z was the last run. The 12z and 18 z didn't run. It's conceivable the 00z may appear but it is very unlikely now.


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doctormog
09 January 2019 07:52:47

 

Yesterday's GFSP 06z was the last run. The 12z and 18 z didn't run. It's conceivable the 00z may appear but it is very unlikely now.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes, Meteociel have stated it will not be available today.


Ally Pally Snowman
09 January 2019 07:52:59

Charts not as spectacular this morning but still not bad . The start of winter though looks like its been pushed back from the 17th to the 20th but nothing to concerning yet. But plenty of time for it to go wrong nothing is ever guaranteed in this country when it comes to cold weather. Even when the background signals are so good.

 


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Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 07:54:40

 

Its way too far away to be confident of anything.  Im highlighting the uncertainty, and drawing attention to the dangers of believing ensembles at a long distance.  I suspect the Azores High will end up scuppering the first attempt(s) to establish cold from the N/ NE.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Agree about the uncertainty - although there have been quite consistent signals for a change to cold zonality in 10 days time. Obviously that brings the chance of winds from south of west at times, but mainly Pm and occasional incursions of Arctic air. Certainly no solid evidence yet of blocking.

The ensembles are just a tool for testing the stability of the operational evolution. Even then they’re of very limited value once you get out beyond 7 days. Looking for clustering and consistency is the best bet, IMO.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 08:01:08

 

 

Yesterday's GFSP 06z was the last run. The 12z and 18 z didn't run. It's conceivable the 00z may appear but it is very unlikely now.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The 18z run is on Meteociel this morning. 


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Brian Gaze
09 January 2019 08:08:08

 

The 18z run is on Meteociel this morning. 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

 

Yes, sorry the 18z data is available from NCEP. Yesterday's 12z and today's 00z isn't .


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nsrobins
09 January 2019 08:10:32
Can’t post image but the EC OP was a mild outlier D9/10

Things progressing today if you look at the NH view - large high developing over the pole. The switch to a tanking AO could be quite rapid.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Gavin D
09 January 2019 09:06:58
GFS P is having a day off today no reason given as to why
Solar Cycles
09 January 2019 09:07:41
The EPS remain much the same and the OP is an outlier. The countdown is still on track.
Gavin D
09 January 2019 09:07:45

Can’t post image but the EC OP was a mild outlier D9/10

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

 

 

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ballamar
09 January 2019 09:08:51
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPNH00_240_1.png 

For potential this is excellent - hopefully we get that to slide pv to split nicely and the cold to get a good route to UK - too much to ask?!!

johncs2016
09 January 2019 09:29:29
From what I gather (and I may be wrong in that), the fact that we appear to have gone into a westerly QBO a lot quicker than anticipated plus the manner in which the SSTs in the Atlantic ocean are set up for a positive NAO, would appear to have been the major reasons why we have had such a poor winter so far from a cold and snow perspective.

That is something which has been highlighted in a number of Gavin P.'s recent videos which also tell us that whilst the SSW event which we have just had will improve our chances of getting a much colder second half of the winter, this should really just be seen as something which favours a colder second half of the the winter, rather than something which actually guarantees that (in the same way that we view things like solar activity and ENSO as factors which either favour or go against our chances of a cold winter when we are trying to make a prediction for any coming winter before we actually enter into it).

Looking at it in that manner, I'm not surprised that a lot of the short term model output in particular, continues to be rather disappointing from a cold and snow perspective and I wouldn't even be surprised if this continues to be the case for the rest of this so-called "winter". With the Atlantic SSTs set up for a positive NAO, this can only mean that the Azores High is going to be much stronger for the time of year than what we would like it to be and as of yet, I'm not fully convinced that the SSW event will be enough on its own to change that.

Then as long as that rather stubborn Azores High remains in place, I can only see it being more difficult for any northern blocking which arises out of that SSW event, to be of any benefit to us here in the UK from a cold perspective (i.e. we are more likely than not, to just be on the mild side of that block as a result).


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Steve Murr
09 January 2019 09:37:13

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPNH00_240_1.png

For potential this is excellent - hopefully we get that to slide pv to split nicely and the cold to get a good route to UK - too much to ask?!!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Yes note the distorted jet axis as well - 

Extreme NW / SE allignment west of the UK ...

Thats always good news for UK cold--

Rob K
09 January 2019 10:30:08
A week today looks quite interesting for Scotland on the 6Z GFS.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Heavy Weather 2013
09 January 2019 10:36:44

This is looking interesting. This is at 222hrs as well!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_222_2.png

EDIT:

It does go a bit messy. But this is usually a sign the model is struggling. This is a good thing

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_240_2.png


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Rob K
09 January 2019 10:43:55

Looks like another flat op run. The pendulum swings back away from cold thanks to the limpet Azores high. Probably quite good for northern hills though!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
09 January 2019 10:50:14
The 6Z op GFS does show that with the southerly jet, even an uninspiring run can deliver a nationwide wet snow event (although the snow depth charts suggest it wouldn't be a settling affair for most).
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