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Russwirral
09 January 2019 10:53:35

This is looking interesting. This is at 222hrs as well!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_222_2.png

EDIT:

It does go a bit messy. But this is usually a sign the model is struggling. This is a good thing

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_240_2.png

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

 

Agreed - but more in the sense that its a sign that things are beginning to show signs of stalling.  Which shows the Jet is beggining to lose its oomph (SSW impact?)


Rob K
09 January 2019 10:59:46
I am starting to get the feeling that the third and fourth weeks of January could be, rather than a classic beasterly HP cold spell, an old-fashioned 80s-style messy "cold zonal" affair, with the jet a long way south and active low pressure systems crossing the country wrapped up in some cold air. Higher risk but higher reward, as some places could get a real dumping of snow (and some get lots of cold rain!)
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

pdiddy
09 January 2019 10:59:58

0z Para rolling out now...

Argyle77
09 January 2019 11:00:07

Looks like another flat op run. The pendulum swings back away from cold thanks to the limpet Azores high. Probably quite good for northern hills though!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

So the chances of much colder weather is swinging away because the 06 gfs says so,despite the fact it’s the worst performing model of any of the big 3 ,constantly.Bet you any thing the next run will be totally different,then gfs has the cold spell “ nailed on” etc.

Why are you  using just the gfs to make that assumption?

Rob K
09 January 2019 11:01:54

 

 

So the chances of much colder weather is swinging away because the 06 gfs says so,despite the fact it’s the worst performing model of any of the big 3 ,constantly.Bet you any thing the next run will be totally different,then gfs has the cold spell “ nailed on” etc.

Why are you  using just the gfs to make that assumption?

Originally Posted by: Argyle77 

Pendulums go back and forth. That was kind of the point of my post! I'm sure it will swing back towards cold, but that doesn't mean that the cold is nailed on any more than the 6Z GFS means it isn't. People shouldn't focus so much on single runs!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:17:58

0z Para rolling out now...

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 

GFS OP run look POOR THIS MORNING - COULD YOU SEND ME LINK TO PARALLEL Run please?


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tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:33:44
Why is the parallel on wetterzentrale not updating and a day behind?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=2&model=gfs&var=1&time=384&run=0&lid=PARA&h=0&tr=3&mv=0 

Can someone send me the link to the wed's 06z parallel run please?


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Arbroath 1320
09 January 2019 11:37:18

 

GFS OP run look POOR THIS MORNING - COULD YOU SEND ME LINK TO PARALLEL Run please?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

There you go:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?mode=0&ech=6&runpara=1

Not great for cold out to 240h it has to be said. 


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Gavin D
09 January 2019 11:40:25

GFS P has a very deep low heading towards Iceland at t234 where it has now frozen

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Brian Gaze
09 January 2019 11:43:17

GFSP 00z has pizza at 240. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx

 


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Gavin D
09 January 2019 11:43:47

GFS P has woken up

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pdiddy
09 January 2019 11:44:08

 

There you go:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?mode=0&ech=6&runpara=1

Not great for cold out to 240h it has to be said. 

Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 

For the avoidance of doubt, this  latest run is the is the 0z, not 6z. 

6z Op on the mild side at the end of the run.

tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:45:32

Quite a difference in positioning of HP in FI

Control run of 06z:

 

Op run of 06z:


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tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:47:37

 

There you go:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?mode=0&ech=6&runpara=1

Not great for cold out to 240h it has to be said. 

Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 

It's poor! How come para it's not updating on wetterzentrale?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&time=360&run=6&lid=PARA&h=0&tr=6&mv=0

 


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tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:55:11

Yesterday's parallel we saw quite a lot of northern blocking appearing around FI period right over top of the Pole into Greenland:

Today we see little if any signs?


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tallyho_83
09 January 2019 11:58:19

06z Ensembles for London:

Looks like more in the way of cold zonality or transient northerlies then north westerly than true a true freeze or cold easterly etc?


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 January 2019 12:01:25

Well the GFS has gone a bit meh today. At least the ECM looks solidly cold from the 20th.

 

 

 

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
09 January 2019 12:03:17

06z Ensembles for London:

Looks like more in the way of cold zonality or transient northerlies then north westerly than true a true freeze or cold easterly etc?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

Better than I feared looks pretty good not many -10c runs though 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
tallyho_83
09 January 2019 12:03:57

I was also looking at the Average ensembles - from N. Hemisphere view down:

That Azores HP really doesn't help does it?


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Rob K
09 January 2019 12:08:29

Well the GFS has gone a bit meh today. At least the ECM looks solidly cold from the 20th.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes as I mentioned earlier it's looking more like chilly northwesterlies than a continental freeze-up. Plenty of interest and hopefully just an appetiser for early Feb!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 12:13:36

Well the GFS has gone a bit meh today. At least the ECM looks solidly cold from the 20th.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

 

The main cluster is signalling a very cold period in around 12-14 days, so reasonably consistent.  Within that a growing number of ice days.  But with the scatter towards near-normal conditions we need to be cautious: the mean showing maxima around 4c and minima around 1c shows there's still a way to go.

Recent GFS runs have changed the handling of LP exiting the east coast of the USA.  Instead of heading north and supporting WAA and a mid-Atlantic block they're now progged to move north then east, flattening the pattern.   Was it right before or is it right now?  Who knows, but the ensemble chart above shows the 00z was off into mild outlier land at the end.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 12:15:03

 

Yes as I mentioned earlier it's looking more like chilly northwesterlies than a continental freeze-up. Plenty of interest and hopefully just an appetiser for early Feb!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Except you won't get maxima that low (3-4c) in London from a north-westerly and certainly not the ice days that are appearing.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Rob K
09 January 2019 12:38:30

 

Except you won't get maxima that low (3-4c) in London from a north-westerly and certainly not the ice days that are appearing.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Hmm, fair point, I was 5 degrees out with the scale! 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
09 January 2019 12:46:43

Snow rows upto 67 the most ive seen all winter.

 

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/ensemble-forecast.aspx?location=London

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
09 January 2019 12:47:18
Ensembles still looking rather pathetic in comparison to what we want if we’re to rival last years beast.

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

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