some faraway beach
03 September 2014 18:30:05
SAI??

Siberian Arctic Index???
Stratospheric Arrogance Incidence????
Slow Autumnal Interest????
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Medlock Vale Weather
03 September 2014 20:06:37

Originally Posted by: Brainstorm 

I did notice that the first snow has settled over siberia roughly a week ago and a bit in alaska as well by the look of it, hope springs eternal!!


Yes it's still there as of yesterday.


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Medlock Vale Weather
03 September 2014 20:14:20

Surely this Winter can't be as bad as last Winter for the UK, even the Med froze and Saudi Arabia got buried 



 


 


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Essan
03 September 2014 20:48:22

Originally Posted by: Brainstorm 

I did notice that the first snow has settled over siberia roughly a week ago and a bit in alaska as well by the look of it, hope springs eternal!!



Aye, there has been snow in Alaska

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/barrow-alaska-snow-blizzard-warning-20140903


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Twister
04 September 2014 06:03:25

Love the map Medlock! 


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Matty H
04 September 2014 07:11:03
Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 

SAI??

Siberian Arctic Index???
Stratospheric Arrogance Incidence????
Slow Autumnal Interest????



Summer again imminently.
Gooner
04 September 2014 17:20:34

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 

SAI?? Siberian Arctic Index??? Stratospheric Arrogance Incidence???? Slow Autumnal Interest????

Summer again imminently.


Siberian Autumn Incoming


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some faraway beach
04 September 2014 17:44:27
Thank you, cc.

AO?

Atlantic Oscillation?
Arctic Oscillation?
Abbreviatory Obfuscation?
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
some faraway beach
04 September 2014 20:41:38
Thanks. I look forward to updates on whether high pressure does show up over the Arctic if October snow cover rapidly increases over the appropriate area of Siberia.

This worries me about the theory though:
"Their findings show the best correlation between the SAI and winter AO is the SAI during October although they do
admit to not being a hundred percent sure why this is."

I'm always suspicious of theories based on arbitrary correlations rather than on a physical mechanism for which researchers have looked for a correlation as evidence. Why October snow cover and not November? With so few years of comprehensive data it's tempting to look for spurious connections.

But, as I said, thanks for bring it to our attention. I'm still interested. Every year gives us a few more ideas to work with, so let's see whether this might be another.
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Medlock Vale Weather
05 September 2014 17:42:56

I find Yakutsk in Russia an interesting place to watch the progression of Autumn into Winter - although this place seems to bypass Autumn and goes straight into Winter!. Whilst right now it's not particularly cold, by the end of September they start to struggle in the low single digits as max temps and by October they get plunged well below freezing as max temps and it pretty much stays that way until late April.


http://askyakutia.com/2009/01/how-do-the-people-of-yakutsk-survive-in-winter/


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/winter-coldest-region-northern-hemisphere-article-1.1269002


http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/europe/yakutsk-journey-to-the-coldest-city-on-earth-771503.html


 


 


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
KevBrads1
07 September 2014 09:40:21
Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 

My predictions for this winter

  1. The Faily Express predicting an Ice Age and the worst winter for 1500 years

  2. Thousands of complex posts on Statrospheric Winter Warmings no-one understands but nevertheless will use to convince themselves point 1 will happen

  3. Cold and snowy GFS 12z runs at T+ 240 cause 10 MO pages a minute each of which contians the words'more runs needed' followed by...

  4. Shortwaves ruining said cold spell at T+48 leading to mass bickering and hysteria and winter is over and im not doing this again posts


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I predict that if a Scandi high is threatening, Steve Murr will go into overdrive. The 168hr ECM will come out, he will say 192hr will be epic and when 192hr comes out, it isn't. Amazing the number of times he jumps the gun. It is that or he puts the mockers on it.

Steve Murr law. The greater his certainty, the greater the model's uncertainty becomes.

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07 September 2014 09:53:07
Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 

My predictions for this winter

  1. The Faily Express predicting an Ice Age and the worst winter for 1500 years

  2. Thousands of complex posts on Statrospheric Winter Warmings no-one understands but nevertheless will use to convince themselves point 1 will happen

  3. Cold and snowy GFS 12z runs at T+ 240 cause 10 MO pages a minute each of which contians the words'more runs needed' followed by...

  4. Shortwaves ruining said cold spell at T+48 leading to mass bickering and hysteria and winter is over and im not doing this again posts


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I predict that if a Scandi high is threatening, Steve Murr will go into overdrive. The 168hr ECM will come out, he will say 192hr will be epic and when 192hr comes out, it isn't. Amazing the number of times he jumps the gun. It is that or he puts the mockers on it.

Steve Murr law. The greater his certainty, the greater the model's uncertainty becomes.

:p



If I posted that I'd be told it was poor form 😂
squish
07 September 2014 10:11:11

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euT2mSeaInd4.gif


 


Not a huge amount to go on....


 


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euPrecSeaInd5.gif


 


but with precipitation charts it suggests northern blocking.....


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07 September 2014 11:06:27
Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 

My predictions for this winter

  1. The Faily Express predicting an Ice Age and the worst winter for 1500 years

  2. Thousands of complex posts on Statrospheric Winter Warmings no-one understands but nevertheless will use to convince themselves point 1 will happen

  3. Cold and snowy GFS 12z runs at T+ 240 cause 10 MO pages a minute each of which contians the words'more runs needed' followed by...

  4. Shortwaves ruining said cold spell at T+48 leading to mass bickering and hysteria and winter is over and im not doing this again posts


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I predict that if a Scandi high is threatening, Steve Murr will go into overdrive. The 168hr ECM will come out, he will say 192hr will be epic and when 192hr comes out, it isn't. Amazing the number of times he jumps the gun. It is that or he puts the mockers on it.

Steve Murr law. The greater his certainty, the greater the model's uncertainty becomes.

:p



Very funny but so true.
sizzle
07 September 2014 18:21:23

if you want to find steve murr this winter  try netweather, thats where he seems to post mostly during winter time,

Medlock Vale Weather
08 September 2014 14:01:20

I notice when the nights become longer than the days (from 26th September) Winter soon comes round.


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Saint Snow
08 September 2014 14:46:53

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


I notice when the nights become longer than the days (from 26th September) Winter soon comes round.



 


I find that with age, time just passes quicker and quicker, so every bloody season soon comes round!




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Jonesy
08 September 2014 15:10:26

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


I notice when the nights become longer than the days (from 26th September) Winter soon comes round.



 


I find that with age, time just passes quicker and quicker, so every bloody season soon comes round!




True, this year is going so fast. Hoping for a decent mild Autumn with plenty of sunshine as we are enjoying currently, then Winter can give us a nice cold blast to clear the air ready for an early Spring :)


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Medlock Vale Weather
08 September 2014 21:12:46

Well I hope we get snow over Christmas, nothing quite like it. Better than the disgustingly mild Xmas day 2011 which got up to 12C here! .........had the family over and the ones who smoke had the back door open and it didn't even feel cold with the balmy south/sw wind. Not right for the time of year lol!


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
nsrobins
08 September 2014 21:39:56

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Well I hope we get snow over Christmas, nothing quite like it. Better than the disgustingly mild Xmas day 2011 which got up to 12C here! .........had the family over and the ones who smoke had the back door open and it didn't even feel cold with the balmy south/sw wind. Not right for the time of year lol!



Not 'right' yes, but actually more likely than the Victorian Christmas card scene.


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