Well I hope we get snow over Christmas, nothing quite like it. Better than the disgustingly mild Xmas day 2011 which got up to 12C here! .........had the family over and the ones who smoke had the back door open and it didn't even feel cold with the balmy south/sw wind. Not right for the time of year lol!

Not 'right' yes, but actually more likely than the Victorian Christmas card scene.

Indeed, what a shame 

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Well I hope we get snow over Christmas, nothing quite like it. Better than the disgustingly mild Xmas day 2011 which got up to 12C here! .........had the family over and the ones who smoke had the back door open and it didn't even feel cold with the balmy south/sw wind. Not right for the time of year lol!

Not 'right' yes, but actually more likely than the Victorian Christmas card scene.

Indeed, what a shame 

Indeed,xmas is more often mild,even in 2010 the thaw had set in around xmas.

All you cold lovers must remember,to avoid disappointment that the default British winter is mild and wet with the occasional cold spell,snow is the exception rather than the rule.In this part of the uk its as rare as rocking horse s**t.

I personally think this winter will be similar to last,not as extreme but overall mild and wet with the atlantic dominating with the odd short lived cold spell.

Any word on what TomC's tyre choice will be this winter?

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I see we are yet again under a northern blocking setup..

If this were January we would be getting excited about some flurries in the SE :p

.. With of course the chance of some lows hitting the block and bringing widespread snow later in the period.

Doesn't mean much of course, but tentatively good signs for the winter ahead.

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Any word on what TomC's tyre choice will be this winter?

I always change to winter tyres in November, just as I did last year

Any word on what TomC's tyre choice will be this winter?

I always change to winter tyres in November, just as I did last year

Any word on what TomC's tyre choice will be this winter?

I always change to winter tyres in November, just as I did last year

Yeah but will it be for  or  and  ?  

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Interesting little article in the Times today. It says winter weather has become more unstable with 5 of the most extreme winters in 115 years occurring since 2004.

"Winter weather patterns over the UK have become distinctly more unstable resulting in contrasting conditions from very mild to extremely cold and snowy."

It says extreme weather more likely in December.

The study was by the Hadley Centre and the Universities of Sheffield and East Anglia.

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If we'd suddenly had, say, an unprecedented 50-year period of variation at the end of 575 years of records, I'd start to be interested. But surely a sample of just 115 winters is way too small to start labelling a decade which includes some varied weather as anything other than a sequence to be expected at some point.

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IMO the very early cold outbreak in Northern America isn't good news for our patch this winter, I would have much preferred to see this cold shot hit Siberia and Scandy. Very early days for thinking about winter seeing as the weather is so glorious ATM, but my best guess would be a mild, windy and often cyclonic affair. And yes, it's only an ill-educated guess!

I've just bought a Defender in anticipation of extreme weather this winter 

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I've just bought a Defender in anticipation of extreme weather this winter 

Was it Ashley Cole? If so it'll slip and slide all over the place.

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I've just bought a Defender in anticipation of extreme weather this winter 

Was it Ashley Cole? If so it'll slip and slide all over the place.

 

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CSF long range model continues to show Northern blocking type annomallies for DJF ~ 80% of the runs they have issued over the past 4 weeks. 

 

Interesting times.

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Well if we had this set up (Scandi High) but in Dec, Jan or Feb we could be in for some very cold weather!!? Right? Severe penetrating frost??

Just take a look at this blocking!???

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.gif

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Well if we had this set up (Scandi High) but in Dec, Jan or Feb we could be in for some very cold weather!!? Right? Severe penetrating frost??

Just take a look at this blocking!???

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.gif

 

I can imagine! -10c by night time penetrating frost and a raw easterly wind....potential snow grains and max of +2c by day and wind-chill of -5c. 

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IMO the very early cold outbreak in Northern America isn't good news for our patch this winter, I would have much preferred to see this cold shot hit Siberia and Scandy. Very early days for thinking about winter seeing as the weather is so glorious ATM, but my best guess would be a mild, windy and often cyclonic affair. And yes, it's only an ill-educated guess!

Good to hear from you Jacko mate, not sure how you can say a cold outbreak in September in States favours a milder winter here?

 

We had fog this morning , sure sign of a December freeze up

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IMO the very early cold outbreak in Northern America isn't good news for our patch this winter, I would have much preferred to see this cold shot hit Siberia and Scandy. Very early days for thinking about winter seeing as the weather is so glorious ATM, but my best guess would be a mild, windy and often cyclonic affair. And yes, it's only an ill-educated guess!

Good to hear from you Jacko mate, not sure how you can say a cold outbreak in September in States favours a milder winter here?

 

We had fog this morning , sure sign of a December freeze up

Hi Goon.
Good to talk pal, just emerging from my Summer slumber. I think these cold shots into the northern States could be a pre- cursor of things to come again this winter, leading to cylogenesis in the Atlantic and a never ending stream of storms and Westerlies. But I hear you say, what about the Scandy block that's forming now to our east. Could that be a pre-cursor of things to come for us? Well I would hazard a guess that cyclogenesis is a far more likely scenario than a Scandy. By the way, can anyone remember the last decent Scandy that delivered snow to the Uk? I remember them as a child at school in Nottingham in the 80's, very heavy snow showers and penetrating frosts for a couple of weeks. They sure don't make em as they used to!
Jacko

Probably suited to another forum but could this winter be one of the last that down south we get to see on the weather of Scotland. Would miss them talking about snow in the mountains or above 400 metres.

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Probably suited to another forum but could this winter be one of the last that down south we get to see on the weather of Scotland. Would miss them talking about snow in the mountains or above 400 metres.

Never thought of that, would be odd not having Scotland in the forecast.

They might send Carol kirkwood to bbc scotland to