firefly
08 September 2015 14:55:47

The August survey methods have been the same since its inception in 2008. Namely, volunteers actually physically counting each patch of snow from a vantage point, taking photographs and notes where necessary. Each patch of snow, no matter how large or small, is counted as separate and is recorded as such.


Scepticism of the figures is understandable, though unwarranted. Every one of the patches on each hill is physically counted by trusted observers and then relayed to me, and from which I calculate the total amount.


2015 has been a remarkable year so far, with patches of snow found on survey day on Beinn Mhanach (Bridge of Orchy) in the south, to Beinn Dearg (Ullapool) in the north. There were over 100 hills this year that held snow, with Ben Nevis having 58 on its own. Some had only one or two.


As it stands there was a total of around 670 patches of snow counted, and I am still finalising the end figure. This is a very high number, and is almost certainly down to a large amount of westerly snow-storms in winter, coupled with a very cool summer.


I organise the annual survey and collect all the data, and I can assure all members on here that each and every patch of snow included in the survey was seen and counted.

Saint Snow
08 September 2015 15:32:19

Originally Posted by: firefly 


The August survey methods have been the same since its inception in 2008. Namely, volunteers actually physically counting each patch of snow from a vantage point, taking photographs and notes where necessary. Each patch of snow, no matter how large or small, is counted as separate and is recorded as such.


Scepticism of the figures is understandable, though unwarranted. Every one of the patches on each hill is physically counted by trusted observers and then relayed to me, and from which I calculate the total amount.


2015 has been a remarkable year so far, with patches of snow found on survey day on Beinn Mhanach (Bridge of Orchy) in the south, to Beinn Dearg (Ullapool) in the north. There were over 100 hills this year that held snow, with Ben Nevis having 58 on its own. Some had only one or two.


As it stands there was a total of around 670 patches of snow counted, and I am still finalising the end figure. This is a very high number, and is almost certainly down to a large amount of westerly snow-storms in winter, coupled with a very cool summer.


I organise the annual survey and collect all the data, and I can assure all members on here that each and every patch of snow included in the survey was seen and counted.



 


Fascinating stuff - and thanks for taking the time to come on here to post.




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Thanks to both Norseman and Firefly for dealing so politely with my sceptical remarks - perhaps my view is coloured by the fact that we haven't even had measurable snow lying down here for the last two years!


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21 September 2015 06:32:29





Al Todd's picture of me in the best snow cave of 2015 so far. Garbh Choire Mór, Braeriach last weekend.






Norseman
24 September 2015 21:30:17
A little fresh snow lying at the top of Ben Nevis today and also on the Cairngorms. First lying snow of the season I think. Later than in recent years.
Quantum
25 September 2015 23:49:03

Originally Posted by: Norseman 

A little fresh snow lying at the top of Ben Nevis today and also on the Cairngorms. First lying snow of the season I think. Later than in recent years.


Wasn't there some in late July?


 


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AIMSIR
26 September 2015 00:45:05

Originally Posted by: four 







Al Todd's picture of me in the best snow cave of 2015 so far. Garbh Choire Mór, Braeriach last weekend.






There was me thinking Essan was after buying a new house/cave and having a bit of a show off.

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26 September 2015 08:52:41

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR 


There was me thinking Essan was after buying a new house/cave and having a bit of a show off.






It'd make a great holiday home!


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AIMSIR
26 September 2015 11:43:38

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Norseman
26 September 2015 19:17:47

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Wasn't there some in late July?


 



Some fell but didn't lie if I remember correctly.

Essan
27 September 2015 13:30:53

Originally Posted by: Norseman 


Some fell but didn't lie if I remember correctly.




Aye, not sure it settled?   But would that be late spring snow or early autumn snow?   Or just a summer aberation?  


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13 October 2015 21:10:14
How are the Scottish snow patches doing now?

With so much cool, dry weather recently I imagine little further thawing has occurred and by late October new snow normally accumulates on top of the old stuff.

Could 2015 hold a new record for the number of snow patches surviving summer? Climatic conditions in Scotland this year seem perfect for such a record to be set.

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14 October 2015 19:28:26

It's not that simple, because until 2008 no one seriously tried to count or keep a record.
However 2015 has seen an astonishing increase at last count.
As you say conditions have been good for retention through autumn with cool and dry-ish conditions predominating.

http://theiaincameron.tumblr.com/post/130550839541/12-august-snow-survey-2015


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16 October 2015 20:46:20

I'm off up to the Cairngorms in the morning for a week and it would be nice to see a bit of snow.  We were there, near Aviemore, three years ago at the same time of year and saw some snow topped mountains along the way up there.  When we came home a week later, we just missed a heavy fall.  The A9 snow gates closed the day after we left.


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Twister
17 October 2015 20:54:23

Originally Posted by: four 


It's not that simple, because until 2008 no one seriously tried to count or keep a record.
However 2015 has seen an astonishing increase at last count.
As you say conditions have been good for retention through autumn with cool and dry-ish conditions predominating.

http://theiaincameron.tumblr.com/post/130550839541/12-august-snow-survey-2015



That's quite an increase! As you indicate, it would have been interesting to know whether the 2008-13 counts were stupendously low compared to the last 30 years or whether 2015 is impressively high... or neither!


Interesting stuff 


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Essan
20 October 2015 18:01:34

Originally Posted by: Caz 


I'm off up to the Cairngorms in the morning for a week and it would be nice to see a bit of snow.  We were there, near Aviemore, three years ago at the same time of year and saw some snow topped mountains along the way up there.  When we came home a week later, we just missed a heavy fall.  The A9 snow gates closed the day after we left.




Just back from Newtonmore and no snow to be seen from low down - colours in the trees are wonderful though!


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GlenH
24 October 2015 07:56:58

Looks like the first proper fall of the season today:


 


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24 October 2015 08:04:23
http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/cairngorm-mountain/ 

A sign of the changing seasons. Can't wait to hit the slopes in a few weeks (or 2-3 months maybe!)


Cairngorm have also updated there webcams in re end months, meaning that ad well as this http://www.cairngormmountain.org/webcams/live/Ptarmigan1.jpg


we also have


http://www.cairngormmountain.org/webcams/live/cairngormmountainwebcam5.jpg


And others here http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/cairngorm-mountain/ 


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26 October 2015 20:16:46

There was no snow at all on the drive up to the Cairngorms on 17th and the weather was lovely while we were there.  We came home on the morning of 24th and it was raining in Kincraig, but probably snowing up Cairngorm and we saw snow on a mountain top as we drove down the A9 towards Dalwhinnie and the car was showing a temp of 4c.


Yes, Andy the colours of the trees around there are really beautiful. 


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30 October 2015 10:46:58

This late very mild spell will be challenging for surviving snow patches.


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