Bolty
Friday, February 16, 2018 2:53:23 AM

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


Too much snow!? So manchester had a lot of snow so far this winter!?



I've had a good 14-15 days of falling snow and at least 9-10 days where it has lay at some point, since the end of November.


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tallyho_83
Friday, February 16, 2018 3:30:54 AM

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


I've had a good 14-15 days of falling snow and at least 9-10 days where it has lay at some point, since the end of November.



So you're fed-up with it!?


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Justin W
Friday, February 16, 2018 7:57:57 AM
A second dry and sunny day in prospect and a break from this winter which has consisted of unrelenting filth from start to finish. This has been the worst winter since 2013/14 - we are drowning in mud and cack here thanks to day after day of moderate rainfall. And we face the prospect of a hosepipe ban this summer! Fortunately, the latest NWP suggests that benign conditions are going to predominate over the next week or so and the prospect of a foul easterly bringing slush and more filth is fading by the minute.
The winter of filth gets a 2/10 from me. Good riddance!
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Solar Cycles
Friday, February 16, 2018 5:52:40 PM

It must be a southern thing but I’m failing to see what all the excitement is about for this cool spell IMBY. Another winter will soon be over without snow lying on the ground for 24 hours. Soon be spring now. 😁

Bolty
Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:21:23 AM

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


So you're fed-up with it!?



Absolutely. In all fairness though Tally, I'm fed up with it before it's even forecasted, to be honest.


Sod's law eh, how those who hate it are always the one's who get it, and those who love it get stuck in the mild sectors.


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tallyho_83
Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:06:30 AM

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


Absolutely. In all fairness though Tally, I'm fed up with it before it's even forecasted, to be honest.


Sod's law eh, how those who hate it are always the one's who get it, and those who love it get stuck in the mild sectors.



Yes sure because there has been so much cold zonality /north westerlies which are rubbish for Southern England. Whilst you may get more potent showers of the Irish sea in the strong NW winds - they all seem to fragment and diminish as they move south. We on the other hand get a west - north westerly then then backs westerly with transient ridges! .So cold air never really reaches us.! Our best chance (SW England). Devon * & Cornwall was that slider low on 10th December 17 but the weather was just too mild here and the cold northerly reached all parts of the Northern England . N. Ireland, Wales too except south of the M4 or north of A303 and the west country (Devon) experienced cold zonality westerly winds instead. 


That being said you have hand many snow showers there being very exposed to the north westerly wind/northerly!? But surely in Manchester the snow didn't exactly last long there did it!? and there hasn't been any sustained cold? or Ice days? Whats the max depth there? Hopefully next weekend into the following week it would be our turn! (For once!)


 


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johncs2016
Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:57:27 AM

For here in Edinburgh, it is really the lack of official air frosts during this winter which I have my biggest complaints about.

As for snowfall, we can't really complain too much here. It took a while for us to get any snow here as the winds during the early part of December in particular were coming from the north or north-west a lot of the time, leaving us completely dry here whilst other parts of the country including the likes of Manchester and even Aberdeen (which even led Richard from that part of the world to send a few photos of that onto another thread, and it takes an awful lot for him to be happy about the weather in his area) got some snow showers.

Then, that slider low on around 10 December 2017 went too far south to affect us in any way while quite a few places down south got quite a bit of snow from that. It was only really from around Christmas onwards (the actual turning point came on Christmas Day itself as we had been getting a lot of rain during that day leading us into what to date,is still our wettest day of the entire winter before that turned to snow just in time on Christmas night, to give Edinburgh its first official white Christmas since 2010 whilst I was stuck down in Hawick where the transition from rain to snow happened just too late for that) that things then improved from that perspective.

Since then, we have had a couple of other snow events which has resulted from Atlantic weather systems moving in against cold air over the UK, including one where the snow later turned to rain as a result of milder air moving in. In addition to that, the wind in those showery air streams behind those weather systems became more of a straight westerly which resulted in the likes of Aberdeen becoming much drier whilst we got more showers here in Edinburgh as a result of those showers being fed all the through the Forth-Clyde valley with it being cold enough on a few occasions for those showers to be falling as snow even here in the north of Edinburgh.

So, this hasn't been a classic snowy winter and there has only really been the one occasion where any lying snow here has been around for any length of time. However, I would probably say that we have had more snow here during this winter than what we have had during any other winter since since December 2010. The north of Edinburgh has never exactly been renowned for getting a lot of snow anyway so on that basis, we have actually done quite well for snow during this winter.

As far as the temperature goes, both December and January brought average temperatures overall. December in particular, swing from being cold at certain times and being really mild at other times, whilst January was a lot more mundane although temperatures only really managed to come out around average during January due to a really mild end to that month after it had looked as though that was going to be colder than average overall. This month on the other hand, has been colder than average without any double figure temperatures being recorded here during this month so far and thanks to this latest SSW event, there is the potential for this month to finish on a very cold note although it is forecast to be a bit milder before then. When you had all of that together, this hasn't been a severe winter here, but it has technically, been a cold winter here thanks to this month being colder than average. In the end, this will go down as our coldest winter since the winter of 2012/13 as a result, although this is really mainly down to how mild the rest of the winters since then have been, rather than being down to this winter being especially cold.

Whilst it has been a colder than average winter overall though, this has actually been very much a front-loaded winter when you look at it in terms of the number of official air frosts. That is because December was actually the only month during this winter where we have had a decent number of official air frosts, as well as being when we had what to date, has been our only official ice day of the entire winter so far. Since then, there has been a general deterioration in the number of official air frosts. January was very poor in that respect, but this month has been even worse. Here in Edinburgh, the worst of my three local stations for that was Edinburgh Gogarbank where there has just been two days so far this month where an official air frost has been recorded, and even that was just one night with an official air frost which had technically, been spread across two different calendar days. The other two locations had the odd other occasion where there was an official air frost (especially Edinburgh Airport), but those were only brief occasions which lasted for only an hour or so before the temperature then jumped back up again. That is very poor fare indeed for what is supposed to be the coldest time of the year overall, and I have every right to complain about that as a result.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
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Saturday, February 17, 2018 7:47:07 AM

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


Absolutely. In all fairness though Tally, I'm fed up with it before it's even forecasted, to be honest.


Sod's law eh, how those who hate it are always the one's who get it, and those who love it get stuck in the mild sectors.



Quite a few days with snow falling yes, but no significant falls. Max depth for the entire winter has only been 3/4cms. So really a rather disappointing winter so far.


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Solar Cycles
Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:26:28 AM
I’m obviously in the minority on here whose hoping the models and MetO are wrong and that the projected Easterly is another fail. I can’t bear to watch media coverage of the SE/E/S and Central areas getting buried in snow whilst here it’s your typical endless days of grey skies and zilch.
croydon courier
Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:49:35 AM

SC, you are grouping together two areas of the country whose snowfall amounts have been polar opposites this winter.


IMBY, there has only been about 3 hours of wet snow this winter, which clearly didn't stick. Go 30/40 miles north of the M4, and it's a vastly different story. as many members have already mentioned.


It's actually been just over 5 years since any snowfall of substance (i.e didn't melt within 2-3 hours of it stopping snowing). Even March 2013, when most of the country got absolutely plastered, and had lying snow for weeks, didn't produce any more than the odd flurry which didn't stick around.


So I am hoping that us dwellers south of the magical line of the M4 do actually  see some winter weather worthy of the name...

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:52:32 AM

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

I’m obviously in the minority on here whose hoping the models and MetO are wrong and that the projected Easterly is another fail. I can’t bear to watch media coverage of the SE/E/S and Central areas getting buried in snow whilst here it’s your typical endless days of grey skies and zilch.

I know just what you mean!  I’m stuck right in the middle and this year I’ve been either just the wrong side of the Northern belt or the Southern belt. So even though we’ve had quite a lot of days of falling snow, it’s hardly settled!  


I don’t begrudge other places their snow but when it hits the South, it’s big news!  And, some Southern posters on the MO thread forget to mention their posts are IMBY and I get all needlessly excited at their mention of snow forecasts.


Now, Sod’s law is bound to apply and we’ll get snow just when I’m jetting off to hot sunny lands on 1st March!  Worse still, would be if our flight’s delayed and I’m stuck in an airport lounge looking out at deep white stuff! 


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Solar Cycles
Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:05:08 PM

Originally Posted by: croydon courier 


SC, you are grouping together two areas of the country whose snowfall amounts have been polar opposites this winter.


IMBY, there has only been about 3 hours of wet snow this winter, which clearly didn't stick. Go 30/40 miles north of the M4, and it's a vastly different story. as many members have already mentioned.


It's actually been just over 5 years since any snowfall of substance (i.e didn't melt within 2-3 hours of it stopping snowing). Even March 2013, when most of the country got absolutely plastered, and had lying snow for weeks, didn't produce any more than the odd flurry which didn't stick around.


So I am hoping that us dwellers south of the magical line of the M4 do actually  see some winter weather worthy of the name...


In the last 8 years  I’ve seen two falls of snow, both didn’t exceed 6cm put together and  none of them lasted 24 hours. So you can see why I’m so enthralled at the above prospects.😏

Solar Cycles
Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:06:31 PM

Originally Posted by: Caz 


I know just what you mean!  I’m stuck right in the middle and this year I’ve been either just the wrong side of the Northern belt or the Southern belt. So even though we’ve had quite a lot of days of falling snow, it’s hardly settled!  


I don’t begrudge other places their snow but when it hits the South, it’s big news!  And, some Southern posters on the MO thread forget to mention their posts are IMBY and I get all needlessly excited at their mention of snow forecasts.


Now, Sod’s law is bound to apply and we’ll get snow just when I’m jetting off to hot sunny lands on 1st March!  Worse still, would be if our flight’s delayed and I’m stuck in an airport lounge looking out at deep white stuff! 


I’ll be delighted if it all amounts to nothing for everyone. πŸ˜œπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

croydon courier
Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:35:19 PM

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


In the last 8 years  I’ve seen two falls of snow, both didn’t exceed 6cm put together and  none of them lasted 24 hours. So you can see why I’m so enthralled at the above prospects.😏



 


Who knows, maybe this time will be different?

Solar Cycles
Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:38:53 PM

Originally Posted by: croydon courier 


 


 


Who knows, maybe this time will be different?


Unless it’s similar to February 91 I highly doubt it but I’ll reserve my full wrath until the end of next week when things will be a lot clearer.

picturesareme
Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:02:41 PM
Though I can't rule a very light flurry out I'm not expecting any meaningful snowfall here.
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Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:18:09 PM

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


I’ll be delighted if it all amounts to nothing for everyone. πŸ˜œπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


I’d be delighted if it all goes North!   


You never know your luck!  We were bang on target for the November/December 2010 snow but it was less exciting because not many others got as much.  Apart from that, after a few days of not being able to get on as normal, I resolved to be careful what I wish for!  


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Saint Snow
Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:27:52 PM

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Unless it’s similar to February 91 I highly doubt it but I’ll reserve my full wrath until the end of next week when things will be a lot clearer.



 



It could be a tough one, this. we've missed out on the snow enjoyed by Jockland* and Norn Irn, even missed the December snow that the Midlands got. Now the SE/E/S look set for a high likelihood of snow.


The set-up looks too southerly-centered for anything to fall here, but I cling to the forlorn hope that 2013 gave. We've had at least half a dozen separate snow falls this winter, but none giving more than a temporary dusting. And I want more.


 


* Aberdeen excepted 



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KevBrads1
Monday, February 19, 2018 8:26:46 AM

Manchester Winter Indices


2013-14: 7


1988-89: 20


2006-07: 21


1997-98: 25


1974-75: 26 


1989-90: 26


2015-16: 28


1973-74: 30 


1987-88: 37


2007-08: 37


1991-92: 40


1975-76: 41 


2016-17: 41


1999-00: 42


1992-93: 43


2002-03: 44


1994-95: 45


1998-99: 47


2004-05: 47


2011-12: 47


2001-02: 50


2003-04: 50


2005-06: 59


1979-80: 66 


2017-18: 70 (up to 18th Feb)


1996-97: 72


2000-01: 77


1993-94: 78


2014-15: 82


1983-84: 82 


1982-83: 85


1977-78: 90 


1980-81: 90 


1986-87: 100


2012-13: 102


2008-09: 105


2010-11: 119


1990-91: 126


1995-96: 135


1984-85: 140


1976-77: 141 


1981-82: 149 


1985-86: 159


2009-10: 197


1978-79: 262 


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
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Saint Snow
Monday, February 19, 2018 10:49:23 AM

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Manchester Winter Indices


 


2017-18: 70 (up to 18th Feb)


1996-97: 72


2000-01: 77



 


I'm still astonished it's so high. That it's just a few point behind 2000/01 is ridiculous. That winter we had a great spell from Xmas to New Year, with deep snow (15cm+)falling on the 28th/29th. We then had a further decent fall later in the winter/early March.


 



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