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Andy Woodcock
08 February 2014 17:14:16
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)

Christ, major Bomb alert and Doc gets a slice of the PV!

Actually if verified we could get a decent north westerly behind that which would make a nice change.

Andy


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RobN
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08 February 2014 17:15:10

GFS fi doesn't look very settled does it!

 

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

Showing a bit more ridge,trough,ridge,trough rather than the trough,trough,trough,trough, of lately, but apart from that the misery goes on. Someone unplug that machine please


Rob

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Polar Low
08 February 2014 17:40:42
idj20
08 February 2014 17:48:09

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

Looks nasty.

Plenty more rain to come to.

Scottish mountains should do well again......





And the misery goes on, even East England that has been escaping the worse of it could get it in the neck. GFS seem to be so good at picking up this kind of thing from that time frame and then it comes off. A real case of hoping for downgrades.

Surely that has to be the last notable storm feature of the season, the UK is already soaked and battered about as it is. We're all gonna end up being - if not already - like Richardabdn.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
08 February 2014 18:04:51
A question for you and a request: how do I get GFS Wetterzentrale 300hPa Jetstream url - Iwant to use the link please provide it.

I have tried searching Rtavn061, 062, 063, 064, 065, 067 all of these display other DATA maps!.

The Weatheroutlook is very wet and often Stormy, even today as we all know and there is another 8 days of bad weather to com, and some days wintry showers with temperatures night and day average or slightly below average for time of year.

I hope the experts can assist in this query?.

Oh my god, I found it myself now I just make it easily accessible by the way skystef.be still shows the old charts but I chose this other method anyway.http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn0615.gif 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

Polar Low
08 February 2014 18:23:31

Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html

 

 

Essan
08 February 2014 18:42:11

Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Almost equally interesting is the heat coming up into the Balkans


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David M Porter
08 February 2014 19:30:10

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)

Originally Posted by: idj20 

Looks nasty.

Plenty more rain to come to.

Scottish mountains should do well again......

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 





And the misery goes on, even East England that has been escaping the worse of it could get it in the neck. GFS seem to be so good at picking up this kind of thing from that time frame and then it comes off. A real case of hoping for downgrades.

Surely that has to be the last notable storm feature of the season, the UK is already soaked and battered about as it is. We're all gonna end up being - if not already - like Richardabdn.

I reckon that many people have already just about reached that stage Ian!

Seriously though, I think that a really dry spring and summer will be needed now to get the place dried out and to allow all those poor folk that have been affected by this awful flooding to return to some kind of normality. Let's hope that the model output over the coming 6 months or so shows little atlantic influence, rather as was the case in from early spring through to the end of August in 1995. We could sure do with an extended dry spell after this disaster of a "winter".


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GIBBY
08 February 2014 19:45:21

Good evening. Here is tonight's report on the 12z outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday February 8th 2014 and taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm

All models show a deep depression near Northern Ireland drifting North through Scotland tomorrow and away to the North thereafter filling steadily. A very showery period is to come with some heavy and thundery showers in places but with some drier spells too, these becoming more prevalent through Monday. On Tuesday a vigorous trough looks like tracking East over the UK with squally winds and heavy rain sweeping East followed by further showers.

GFS then shows further unsettled weather thereafter as the blustery Atlantic theme continues with further vigorous Lows delivering further spells of rain and gales towards the end of next week and weekend. Through the latter stages tonight the theme is still generally an unsettled one but with a little more in the way of drier weather possible between rain bouts later.

The GFS Ensembles show a reduction in rain amounts later in the run but until then it's more of the same from most members with rain and showers at times. There is a lot of spread between the members later in the run.

UKMO tonight shows complex Low pressure over the West of the UK later next week with further rain at times in less strong winds than of late and with temperatures close to average. The rain could be heavy in places especially towards the west and South-west.

GEM maintains very unsettled conditions tonight throughout the final section of it's run with strong winds and heavy rain at times continuing to dominate the UK weather. A ridge of High pressure does edge in from the West at Day 10 to bring a temporary respite from the wet of late.

NAVGEM shows next weekend as unsettled and probably a little chilly with Westerly winds decreasing with time but continuing to feed occasional rain and showers across the UK with snow on hills of the North.

ECM tonight tries it's hardest to get us into something a little drier and more average instead of the extreme conditions that has afflicted the UK for so long now. We have another week or so before such improvements become apparent due to Low pressure moving to more Northerly latitudes taking the heavier rain and windier conditions with them.

The Jet Stream Summary shows the flow remaining in an Eastwards motion across the Atlantic and through France and Spain. Through Week 2 the flow shows signs of migrating Northward over the British Isles.

In Summary tonight the weather remains generally quite unsettled and windy with heavy rain and gales at times for the next week at least. There are some indications of a slow improvement through Week 2 as the pattern weakens and the Jet flow steers Low pressure areas further North. I get the feeling though that improvements at a meaningful level are going to occur painfully slowly with many rocky roads to negotiate along the way and even probable setbacks.


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Gavin P
08 February 2014 19:51:11

Thanks Martin.

One step forward, two steps back with my eye's AND with any change to drier weather at the moment.


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Stormchaser
08 February 2014 19:59:07

I am truly fascinated by this minature storm that keeps cropping up on various model runs. The ECM version is particularly striking in terms of having an intense but highly confined wind field - just like a small tropical storm.

It does have it's origins in the tropics, so it's funny that it should maintain that sort of appearance across thousands of miles of the Atlantic - the vast temperature contrast that it encounters seems to give it the energy to survive as an independant systems on runs like the ECM and GEM 12z.  UKMO is close.

It could well wrap some cold air into it and create a snow event, especially if it causes the nearby/associated front to slow and be overrun by cold air streaming in from the west.

 

GFS is completely out of kilter with the others regarding that system (sent hurtling into France), so perhaps it's not to be taken too seriously tonight. For once, the least credible output is the one with the lowest chance of a snow event!


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SEMerc
08 February 2014 20:09:58

Well the the one good thing - if there is anything to teleconnections - is that the Pineapple Express now appears to be gearing up with a vengeance.

Hungry Tiger
08 February 2014 20:56:53

Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html

Originally Posted by: Essan 



Almost equally interesting is the heat coming up into the Balkans

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Without intending to go OT - I wonder what sort of temperatures Cyprus will get from a synoptic chart like that.

 


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Chunky Pea
08 February 2014 21:17:13

Something is oddly wrong with this incessant Atlantic driven weather pattern . Has there EVER been such a LONG sustained period of weather of this type in the last 50 years or so?

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

 

No more wrong than any sustained period of samey type weather - such as Winter 62-63, Summer 76, Winter's of 2009-10/2010-11 etc. Just the way the weather cookie crumbles. It is interesting though that this prolonged period of cyclonic waether was preceeded by an unusully long period of the anticyclonic type.

Here in Ireland, although very wet and as equally unsettled as the UK, very few period records broken regarding rainfall - we've certainly had wetter winters, and certainly no wind speed records broken either.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Gooner
08 February 2014 22:10:02

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-102.png?18

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-126.png?18

Queing up

 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

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Whether Idle
08 February 2014 22:27:31

 Give us a break

 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
nsrobins
08 February 2014 22:33:19

On the +186 frame of GFS it almost looks like the next low is disrupting?

Either that or I've had one too many Captain Morgans Spiced Recipe LOL


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Quantum
08 February 2014 22:35:02

Well it looks like the 18Z wants me to win the bet :P

Signs of something that most people will appreciate anyway. 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Gooner
08 February 2014 22:49:12

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/08/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0818.gif

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/08/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021118_2_0818.gif

J F F At least some will see snow ...............according to GFS

 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Stormchaser
08 February 2014 23:48:02

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020818/138-289UK.GIF?08-18

Have we done something to irritate the GFS model? The storm is not only still there on the 18z, it's further south too!

 

Before then, the SE'rn third should keep one eye on possible rainfall Monday night, as GFS has been edging this NW with each new operational run and it now affects quite a large area for a fair number of hours:

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020818/33-779UK.GIF?08-18

 

...but WRF doesn't have quite as much precipitation and NAE just shows some showers so this is far from settled.

 

The Tuesday system is different again - the secondary low is a bit further north and more developed compared with the 12z, and this influences the frontal system enough to produce some back-end snowfall even across the south.

 

There are so many uknowns from tomorrow night onwards, it feels like the models have been out down the pub too often.


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Gooner
08 February 2014 23:51:36

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-312.png?18

Not for the first time the control is keen on a colder flow


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

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Karl Guille
08 February 2014 23:51:42
Interesting 18z Control!
St. Sampson

Guernsey

Karl Guille
08 February 2014 23:54:10
Damn it Marcus you were 1 second quicker plus Liverpool's goal tally today than me on that one!!

Shame the Control is out on its own on this one though or at least in terms of the depth of cold carried on the easterly.


St. Sampson

Guernsey

KevBrads1
09 February 2014 06:02:50
Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18 

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.


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