LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
08 February 2014 11:18:18
Well, based on GFS 00z run, it has Large Areas of Low pressure Systems over Central to East & NE Pacific, Canada Central NE and SE USA and NW Atlantic, off E USA, West NW USA, and over South & West SW Europe plus NW Europe as well, and Including Central NW and the East to NE Atlantic plus the SW Norwegian Sea and SE from North and NW USA via NW Canada for North and NE USA cold waves.

Cold Pool prevails in Northwest Atlantic but often the Wet and Windy Low's turn it less cold in the UK, but Monday p.m. And Tuesday plus Wednesday and also on Saturday to Sunday in the next 8 days it does turn cold with rain and sleet or even snow showers especially in the North and NW.

Central W and NW USA wet with rain and hill snow with West to East tracking Low's.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gooner
08 February 2014 11:24:21

Originally Posted by: Osprey 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020806/gfs-0-204.png?6 


There's always the possiblity of a spanner in the HP spokes



See where it sits in the ENS first previously been on the mild side


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08 February 2014 11:32:11

GFS has been quite keen on spring starting around mid-month for a while now.
Another grim week to get through, and that last Low is more wintry-looking.


Osprey
08 February 2014 11:45:51

Mostly that gut feeling, agreement with Quantum & GFS model than scientific


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Stormchaser
08 February 2014 13:13:36

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gme/run/gme-0-72.png?08-00


Just noticed that the GME model makes something noteworthy out of that small system heading over to us in 3 days time. It's the one ECM made a bomb out of a couple of days ago, so I guess we can't rest easy on that just yet.


Rarely can I recall seeing such a small system cross the Atlantic while not only holding together but actually developing into something stronger - so it's not something I'd bet on, but even so, I'm keeping a close eye on it.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014020806/nmmuk-2-71-0.png?08-12


As far as I can tell, WRF develops it as a seperate system but then abosrbs it into the main trough, creating another strong trough to our NW.


 


One of the most uncertain model features that I can remember!


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doctormog
08 February 2014 16:25:47
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)
Charmhills
08 February 2014 16:33:20
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)


Looks nasty.


Plenty more rain to come to.


Scottish mountains should do well again......


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Charmhills
08 February 2014 16:43:06

GFS fi doesn't look very settled does it!


 


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08 February 2014 17:11:52

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gme/run/gme-0-72.png?08-00


Just noticed that the GME model makes something noteworthy out of that small system heading over to us in 3 days time. It's the one ECM made a bomb out of a couple of days ago, so I guess we can't rest easy on that just yet.


One of the most uncertain model features that I can remember!



 


Here's the GME in WZ format


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme721.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme722.gif


 


Some very cold air (for a westerly) digging in behind on Tuesday evening.....


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Andy Woodcock
08 February 2014 17:14:16
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)


Christ, major Bomb alert and Doc gets a slice of the PV!


Actually if verified we could get a decent north westerly behind that which would make a nice change.


Andy


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08 February 2014 17:15:10

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


GFS fi doesn't look very settled does it!


 



Showing a bit more ridge,trough,ridge,trough rather than the trough,trough,trough,trough, of lately, but apart from that the misery goes on. Someone unplug that machine please


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Polar Low
08 February 2014 17:40:42
idj20
08 February 2014 17:48:09

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)


Looks nasty.


Plenty more rain to come to.


Scottish mountains should do well again......






And the misery goes on, even East England that has been escaping the worse of it could get it in the neck. GFS seem to be so good at picking up this kind of thing from that time frame and then it comes off. A real case of hoping for downgrades.

Surely that has to be the last notable storm feature of the season, the UK is already soaked and battered about as it is. We're all gonna end up being - if not already - like Richardabdn.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
08 February 2014 18:04:51
A question for you and a request: how do I get GFS Wetterzentrale 300hPa Jetstream url - Iwant to use the link please provide it.

I have tried searching Rtavn061, 062, 063, 064, 065, 067 all of these display other DATA maps!.

The Weatheroutlook is very wet and often Stormy, even today as we all know and there is another 8 days of bad weather to com, and some days wintry showers with temperatures night and day average or slightly below average for time of year.

I hope the experts can assist in this query?.

Oh my god, I found it myself now I just make it easily accessible by the way skystef.be still shows the old charts but I chose this other method anyway.http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn0615.gif 
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Polar Low
08 February 2014 18:23:31

Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html


 


 

Essan
08 February 2014 18:42:11

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html




Almost equally interesting is the heat coming up into the Balkans


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Medlock Vale Weather
08 February 2014 18:47:34

Not bad - widespread uppers at or below -5 and from the Atlantic, just shows how cold it is over the other side of pond.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020812/81-7UK.GIF?08-12


And the risk of snow especially in the west, could be a fair few cm for some of us by Wednesday morning.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020812/69-574UK.GIF?08-12


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020812/72-574UK.GIF?08-12


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020812/78-574UK.GIF?08-12


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020812/84-574UK.GIF?08-12


 


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David M Porter
08 February 2014 19:30:10

Originally Posted by: idj20 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.gif 

(And that's not counting the generally unsettled weather between now and then)


Looks nasty.


Plenty more rain to come to.


Scottish mountains should do well again......






And the misery goes on, even East England that has been escaping the worse of it could get it in the neck. GFS seem to be so good at picking up this kind of thing from that time frame and then it comes off. A real case of hoping for downgrades.

Surely that has to be the last notable storm feature of the season, the UK is already soaked and battered about as it is. We're all gonna end up being - if not already - like Richardabdn.



I reckon that many people have already just about reached that stage Ian!


Seriously though, I think that a really dry spring and summer will be needed now to get the place dried out and to allow all those poor folk that have been affected by this awful flooding to return to some kind of normality. Let's hope that the model output over the coming 6 months or so shows little atlantic influence, rather as was the case in from early spring through to the end of August in 1995. We could sure do with an extended dry spell after this disaster of a "winter".


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GIBBY
08 February 2014 19:45:21

Good evening. Here is tonight's report on the 12z outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday February 8th 2014 and taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a deep depression near Northern Ireland drifting North through Scotland tomorrow and away to the North thereafter filling steadily. A very showery period is to come with some heavy and thundery showers in places but with some drier spells too, these becoming more prevalent through Monday. On Tuesday a vigorous trough looks like tracking East over the UK with squally winds and heavy rain sweeping East followed by further showers.


GFS then shows further unsettled weather thereafter as the blustery Atlantic theme continues with further vigorous Lows delivering further spells of rain and gales towards the end of next week and weekend. Through the latter stages tonight the theme is still generally an unsettled one but with a little more in the way of drier weather possible between rain bouts later.


The GFS Ensembles show a reduction in rain amounts later in the run but until then it's more of the same from most members with rain and showers at times. There is a lot of spread between the members later in the run.


UKMO tonight shows complex Low pressure over the West of the UK later next week with further rain at times in less strong winds than of late and with temperatures close to average. The rain could be heavy in places especially towards the west and South-west.


GEM maintains very unsettled conditions tonight throughout the final section of it's run with strong winds and heavy rain at times continuing to dominate the UK weather. A ridge of High pressure does edge in from the West at Day 10 to bring a temporary respite from the wet of late.


NAVGEM shows next weekend as unsettled and probably a little chilly with Westerly winds decreasing with time but continuing to feed occasional rain and showers across the UK with snow on hills of the North.


ECM tonight tries it's hardest to get us into something a little drier and more average instead of the extreme conditions that has afflicted the UK for so long now. We have another week or so before such improvements become apparent due to Low pressure moving to more Northerly latitudes taking the heavier rain and windier conditions with them.


The Jet Stream Summary shows the flow remaining in an Eastwards motion across the Atlantic and through France and Spain. Through Week 2 the flow shows signs of migrating Northward over the British Isles.


In Summary tonight the weather remains generally quite unsettled and windy with heavy rain and gales at times for the next week at least. There are some indications of a slow improvement through Week 2 as the pattern weakens and the Jet flow steers Low pressure areas further North. I get the feeling though that improvements at a meaningful level are going to occur painfully slowly with many rocky roads to negotiate along the way and even probable setbacks.


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