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Andy Woodcock
04 February 2014 08:40:51

To be honest a very mild winter is overdue and thats where my money is, nothing scientific to back this up but when you consider 4 out of the last 5 has been cold something has to give.

Here in East Cumbria nothing could be as frustrating as last winter so the thought of a 3 month Bartlett doesnt worry me, yes a 2010 or 2011 winter would be nice but this is the UK and I think we have used up our quota of cold winters for a while.

 

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Pleased with thar forecast but I wish I had been wrong and I certainly didn't expect it to be so crap! Very mild yes but not so bloody wet.

Andy


Andy Woodcock

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Cumbria

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Quantum
04 February 2014 21:14:57

I hope people don't mind. I'm going to repaste my 'year' forecast that I did for the new year so it can be critizised appropiately. I'm keen to see how accurate it turns out to be:

 

"I do a personal yearly forecast every year (at least I have for the last 5 years). I've never published before though, thought I might here anyway see if it holds up.

2014

January

Milder than average especially at first and very unsettled, a chance of cold snowy periods later.

CET above normal

February

Potentially coldest month of the winter, some snow showers likely in S and E. Unlikely to be overly cold or prolonged though.

CET below normal

March

Settled, dry, rather chilly. Some late frosts and even wintry showers. Sunshine prevalent

CET below normal

April

Showery. Slightly below average temperatures. Some settled spells

CET slightly below average

May

 Extremely dry and sunny. Chilly winds at first, although very warm weather possible later. Perhaps an early heatwave.

CET around average

June

Very dry theme continuing. Some rather cool sea breezes making temps chilly at times. Somewhat below average temperatures.

CET slightly below average

July

Another dry month especially in the east. However it will be warmer than june with a few thundery outbreaks possible

CET above average

August

The dry run ends with august. Changeable, sometimes very wet or showery but still often mild.

CET slightly above average

September

Dry, rather warm and perhaps thundery. 'Indian summer'.

CET much above average

October

Probably a little drier than average

CET around average

November

Drier than average theme perhaps continuing. Average temps, becoming chilly.

CET slightly below average

December

Changable. Mix of short cold wintry spells and warmer mild spells.

CET around average.

 

I put quite a lot of work into these every year (despite them looking so short). Although only people I know have got to see them before. Its based on a bit of pattern matching and long range models mostly. I don't expect it to be that accurate; mostly just for fun. "

 

I think January turned out okay, it was mild and unsettled and it was mildest at the start of the month; the CET fell throughout. I don't think the last statement was justified though, there were no cold or snowy periods to speak of; although most transient snowfall did occur during the last part of january. Most of it was restricted to higher ground though. And CET was above average. 

 

Probably going to be out with my february forecast though :S it may well be the coldest month of the winter, though that in itself is hardly an achivement. 

 

 

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Gavin P
05 February 2014 00:34:21

Looks good Q.

The only thing I would criticise would be the use of "Inidian Summer" for September, when it's much more apporpriate in October


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Gooner
05 February 2014 00:38:31

Looks good Q.

The only thing I would criticise would be the use of "Inidian Summer" for September, when it's much more apporpriate in October

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

And to add to that , why the hell didnt you see all this rain coming ......................fool


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Quantum
05 February 2014 13:26:19

Looks good Q.

The only thing I would criticise would be the use of "Inidian Summer" for September, when it's much more apporpriate in October

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

And to add to that , why the hell didnt you see all this rain coming ......................fool

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

I said very unsettled what more do you want 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Gooner
06 February 2014 22:51:52

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020606/run1m2/cfsnh-0-444.png?06

At least CFS hints at something wintry

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020606/run1m2/cfsnh-2-444.png?06


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Gooner
07 February 2014 22:59:39

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-624.png?18

Again CFS hints at a chilly March

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-744.png?18

Most welcome


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Sevendust
08 February 2014 01:50:41

Disagree

Low pressure aligned to the south - not great for here

Whether Idle
08 February 2014 06:05:46

These charts will flip flop around more than a filanderers appendage.


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Gooner
08 February 2014 08:16:47

Disagree

Low pressure aligned to the south - not great for here

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Come on Dave , you would be happy with several inches of the white stuff


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vince
08 February 2014 08:48:27

Yea right CFS about as useful as a chocolate teapot , this said model was havin a bubble when suggesting this winter was going to very cold some months ago now.  

roger63
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08 February 2014 09:40:44
Originally Posted by: Stormchaser Go to Quoted Post

 

It does seem that some Pacific troughing will make a move for California in the near future, all starting with an 'atmospheric river' (as they call it) this weekend that brings a string of warm and moist air from the tropics. This ties in with signs of the longwave ridge/trough shifting a little, although progress looks very slow. At least it will slightly reduce the severity of the drought over there.

The 12z GFS op gets a little further than previous runs pre-192 hours, and it turns out to be just far enough to change the downstream pattern i.e. what affects the UK from day 8.

 

That NE Pacific/western-U.S. ridge has been incredibly persistent this winter - but if I'm remembering things correctly, it seems to have shifted east overall during the past month... just not very far!

 

 

Stormchaser is the persistence of this  NE pacific/W estern USA ridge the key to the arrctic outbraks  and then knocking on to our stormy winter?

 

This was originally posted on the model output thread.However I've copied it here because Stormchaser has I think ,come up with the key atmospheric circulation anomaly that  has driven this remarkable but unwelcome winter.

nouska
08 February 2014 10:31:28

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser Go to Quoted Post

 

It does seem that some Pacific troughing will make a move for California in the near future, all starting with an 'atmospheric river' (as they call it) this weekend that brings a string of warm and moist air from the tropics. This ties in with signs of the longwave ridge/trough shifting a little, although progress looks very slow. At least it will slightly reduce the severity of the drought over there.

The 12z GFS op gets a little further than previous runs pre-192 hours, and it turns out to be just far enough to change the downstream pattern i.e. what affects the UK from day 8.

 

That NE Pacific/western-U.S. ridge has been incredibly persistent this winter - but if I'm remembering things correctly, it seems to have shifted east overall during the past month... just not very far!

 

 

Stormchaser is the persistence of this  NE pacific/W estern USA ridge the key to the arrctic outbraks  and then knocking on to our stormy winter?

 

This was originally posted on the model output thread.However I've copied it here because Stormchaser has I think ,come up with the key atmospheric circulation anomaly that  has driven this remarkable but unwelcome winter.

Originally Posted by: roger63 

The persistence of the west coast ridge and the draw down of polar airmass on the eastern flank is the cause of the cold conditions over the central and eastern parts of the US. What is the cause of ridging and the anomalous (to -PDO cycle) warmth in the NE Pacific?

Reanalysis shows a very unusual and extreme 500mb anomaly for this winter.

Charmhills
08 February 2014 11:04:43

It would be typical if winter shows up back end of Feb and into March.


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roger63
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08 February 2014 14:12:03

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser Go to Quoted Post

 

It does seem that some Pacific troughing will make a move for California in the near future, all starting with an 'atmospheric river' (as they call it) this weekend that brings a string of warm and moist air from the tropics. This ties in with signs of the longwave ridge/trough shifting a little, although progress looks very slow. At least it will slightly reduce the severity of the drought over there.

The 12z GFS op gets a little further than previous runs pre-192 hours, and it turns out to be just far enough to change the downstream pattern i.e. what affects the UK from day 8.

 

That NE Pacific/western-U.S. ridge has been incredibly persistent this winter - but if I'm remembering things correctly, it seems to have shifted east overall during the past month... just not very far!

 

 

Stormchaser is the persistence of this  NE pacific/W estern USA ridge the key to the arrctic outbraks  and then knocking on to our stormy winter?

 

This was originally posted on the model output thread.However I've copied it here because Stormchaser has I think ,come up with the key atmospheric circulation anomaly that  has driven this remarkable but unwelcome winter.

Originally Posted by: nouska 

The persistence of the west coast ridge and the draw down of polar airmass on the eastern flank is the cause of the cold conditions over the central and eastern parts of the US. What is the cause of ridging and the anomalous (to -PDO cycle) warmth in the NE Pacific?

Reanalysis shows a very unusual and extreme 500mb anomaly for this winter.

Originally Posted by: roger63 

Thanks Nouska as you say the next question is what led to the persistence of the ridge!

moomin75
08 February 2014 15:17:33

Speak for yourself Marcus. After this horrific winter, I'm sure the majority would prefer an early spring warmth.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

Gooner
08 February 2014 15:26:56

Speak for yourself Marcus. After this horrific winter, I'm sure the majority would prefer an early spring warmth.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I bet there are a few on here hoping for a late wintry spell


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Banbury

North Oxfordshire

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Deep Powder
08 February 2014 22:07:43

Speak for yourself Marcus. After this horrific winter, I'm sure the majority would prefer an early spring warmth.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I bet there are a few on here hoping for a late wintry spell

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I wouldn't say no to a late spell of [snow] , would always welcome [snow] with open arms 😄


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Gooner
09 February 2014 17:48:57

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020718/run4/cfsnh-0-6504.png?18

Bonfire night is looking dry at least


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roger63
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13 February 2014 08:04:05

Going back to the cause of the winter storminessthe persistence of the NW Pacific ridge seems likely casue.The factor driving this was mentiined on last nights ONE show last night as strong positive SST anomalies in the  NW Pacific off Japan.

Any thoughts?

roger63
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13 February 2014 08:11:17
KevBrads1
13 February 2014 08:22:26
I went for a drier than average winter..........

Pure guesswork it was.


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nsrobins
13 February 2014 23:30:28

And whilst we wait for this pitiful cesspit of a winter to finally crawl it's way into oblivion, I recommend a read of the first 10 pages or so of this thread.

It is proof if ever it was needed that despite the analysis and theories and detail and debate, Mother Nature will without fail fart in our faces and mug the best of us.


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Gooner
13 February 2014 23:34:31

Here's hoping for a dry, very mild and quiet winter with a persistent area of high pressure close to the SW of the country. 

We are due one. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

LOL

That was wishful thinking


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Gooner
13 February 2014 23:36:02

The QBO is trending strongly positive now so it looks like we're looking at a strong polar vortex this winter increasing the likelihood of a mainly westerly flow over the UK.

Originally Posted by: nickl 

if only twas that easy justin. part of the jigsaw but not an overriding factor (neutral ENSO may give it a bigger piece though). i can confidently state that the upcoming winter will be colder than the summer just ended .

 

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

And it seemed it was that easy, westerlies all the way


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