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The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 19:55:13

Just look at the rest of the run it isn't a toppler. You are on the wind up now Mooms. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

He has a point. Its been a poor set of 12zs.  No sugar coating. Sadly we dont often see things swing back to cold from this close out. Usually even more the other way. 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Ally Pally Snowman
20 December 2025 19:58:56
Another Moomin toppler on the ECM 12z.  It's a snowfest.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=312&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
doctormog
20 December 2025 19:58:58

Just look at the rest of the run it isn't a toppler. You are on the wind up now Mooms. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes you’re right APS. It is either a total misunderstanding of what that run shows or he is on the wind up. The scenario shown is at one extreme of the possibilities but not without support from other models in the general pattern (e.g. some GEFS members and the ECM 12z op run for example).


David M Porter
20 December 2025 20:21:22

Another Moomin toppler on the ECM 12z.  It's a snowfest.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=312&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

That chart is IMHO reminiscent of the set-up we had from mid-December 2009 to mid-January 2010 and again from late November to late December 2010. Not exactly a toppler in my book either, Ally.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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David M Porter
20 December 2025 20:23:21

He has a point. Its been a poor set of 12zs.  No sugar coating. Sadly we dont often see things swing back to cold from this close out. Usually even more the other way. 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Have you looked at the runs in their entirety? If you have, I really cannot understand how you have come to this view.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

Ally Pally Snowman
20 December 2025 20:25:08

That chart is IMHO reminiscent of the set-up we had from mid-December 2009 to mid-January 2010 and again from late November to late December 2010. Not exactly a toppler in my book either, Ally.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I'm winding Moomin up , it's a beauty as you say. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Chunky Pea
20 December 2025 20:29:01
EC 850 temp anomaly at 240hr. Virtually all of Euroland under the blue.

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The creep of colder 850s into eastern Europe is very slow, but also very sure, so if that mid-Atlantic  high eventually moves north again. it could end up being a bigger event than the nearer term projection.  


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

moomin75
20 December 2025 20:33:45

I'm winding Moomin up , it's a beauty as you say. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

OK, I didn't see the latter stages. Looks good, but an age away in forecasting terms.

There's no dressing up the GFS, its not good at all, but I concur, the ECM looks much better.

Just 240 hours to wait 😅


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

White Meadows
BJBlake
20 December 2025 23:33:22

OK, I didn't see the latter stages. Looks good, but an age away in forecasting terms.

There's no dressing up the GFS, its not good at all, but I concur, the ECM looks much better.

Just 240 hours to wait 😅

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I get your anxiety over the GFS. I would

like nothing more than to

see a 1987, 1979, 1962-3 or even a Beast from the East, but the rotten old GFS has often heralded Pete Tong entrance stage left, picking up signals early that others haven’t yet done so, and my posts last night and this morning expressed this anxiety over the number of pert’s that collapsed the block and HP only to let in the dull and dismal Old Atlantic - as if to rub salt into the wounds of cold weather junkies like me that GW has made old fashioned cold spells as rare as a Christmas blizzard! However, having said all that, despite having a fair few let downs over the years, I seem to remember most cold spells - e.g. The Beast etc had similar wobbles and inconsistencies  right up to the event manifesting!! I guess a little cynicism and anxiety is just self preservation for us junkies and so I get Moomin and sooth my soul with those posts of greater optimism and eye candy charts! Here’s to dreaming !! All good fun!!  


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
tallyho_83
21 December 2025 00:18:10
I looked at 18z ENS show a flip back to milder uppers and fewer snow spikes for London again.

How reliable are those AIFs models? I haven't had much experience using them!? anyone?!


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The Beast from the East
21 December 2025 03:27:14

Have you looked at the runs in their entirety? If you have, I really cannot understand how you have come to this view.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I'm talking about Christmas, and sadly we can now rule out a White one for everyone. Sad. 

What happens afterwards is still up for grabs but knowing our luck we get what Moomin predicted - a UK high 

The lack of posts tell the story. Another huge letdown


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President

Retron
21 December 2025 04:48:15
There's still, as you'd expect 4 days out, a wide envelope of options in terms of that Christmas Cold Pool of Great Cheer - looking at the GEFS the majority take it south, but 11 (out of 32 members) bring snow across southernmost areas at 1PM on Christmas Day.

In other words - it's not likely to happen, but it isn't a complete write-off just yet.

As I said yesterday, plenty of to-ing and fro-ing yet to come! And at least for once there's some interest down here on Christmas Day. Even without any snow it will feel absolutely perishing, with temperatures of maybe 3 to 5, subzero dewpoints and a stiff ENE'ly or NE'ly wind. 


Leysdown, north Kent
21 December 2025 05:59:06
Let the High pressure domination commence.  The models this morning are decidedly keen on it.
CField
21 December 2025 06:11:06
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Close...not throwing the towel in just yet


Favourite snowstorm

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Dec 31st 1978

Hastings East Sussex

Foot of level snow severe drifting

Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius

doctormog
21 December 2025 06:35:28
This is the 00z GEFS ensemble 24hr (Christmas Day) snow falling chart.  It shows the percentage of ensemble members showing snow falling on Christmas Day.

https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gensp/run/gensprobuk-26-120.png?0 

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Retron
21 December 2025 06:42:18
Five days of excitement later, we're pretty much back to where we were - here's the latest ensemble watch:

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/enswatch4.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
21 December 2025 07:16:43
Yes underwhelming output it has to be said. Although the ECM remains very good day 10 +
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
21 December 2025 07:40:44
Incidentally the ECM-46, which is from 0z yesterday and thus before the pivoting that took place yesterday in the other models, continues to show a solid three weeks of widespread colder than normal conditions, before fading somewhat into weeks 4 and 5. Week 6 is mostly neutral, but Kent and Sussex cling onto the colder than average blue shading.

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202512200000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202602020000 

The pressure anomaly charts continue to suggest ping-ponging between Scandinavia and Greenland, with higher than normal anomalies to the north throughout. By weeks 5 and 6 the signal is weaker, and the anomalies are closer to the UK. 

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-mslp?base_time=202512200000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202602020000 


Leysdown, north Kent
Quantum
21 December 2025 08:01:02
The Greenland high scenario for the xmas-new year period remains very plausible. Models not quite interested yet (though 0Z is an upgrade) but it would only take a small adjustment to heights in the arctic which, as I say, is very poorly predicted by the models even at close range.
25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

White Meadows
21 December 2025 08:01:14

 Even without any snow it will feel absolutely perishing, with temperatures of maybe 3 to 5, subzero dewpoints and a stiff ENE'ly or NE'ly wind. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Slight exaggeration here. Maybe if you’ve spent your entire life in a Namibian Tribe, but 5 degrees is milder than a few nighttime temps we’ve had lately. 

doctormog
21 December 2025 08:22:47
For actual real hopecasting see the ECM 00z op run in its FI section. Nailed on.😇

Seriously though, the overall anticyclonic theme evident for days in the output continues. There is still a bit of easterly influence as there has always been but a lower chance of snow falling than was shown a few runs back.

As easterly gloom does not interest me my attention is still drawn to beyond the Christmas period where there is still a reasonable possibility (not yet high probability) of something more wintry from the-north. This continues to be shown in some ensemble members and indeed operational runs at times.. 

On a positive note, the weather over the festive period will be welcomed by many driving home for Christmas.


Rob K
21 December 2025 08:30:00
The contrast between the 00Z GEFS ensemble plots for London and yesterday’s 06Z is stark. From an extended period with mean 850s around -5C we now have just a brief blip (fortunately coinciding with the 25th) folllowed by a swift return to around 0C. 

After that it’s back to spaghetti but the milder options are growing run by run. Sad to say but it looks increasingly like this block isn’t going to deliver anything unless it can pull a Hail Mary retrogression out of the bag!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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White Meadows
21 December 2025 08:30:55
Could swing back much colder of course. 

Although without a smidge of cold air to tap into big changes are needed:

https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png 

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/htmls/euT2me3Mon.html 

Ally Pally Snowman
21 December 2025 08:33:19
While we have charts like this we still have Hope for some snow this festive season.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=264&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

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