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Retron
16 December 2025 18:09:26

12z gfs control very much along the same lines...and the majority of members have a variation on the easterly

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSP08EU12_240_2.png 

personally I would take run no.8 for delayed cold ( only a day or two) but a proper north easterly

Originally Posted by: squish 

A sight for sore eyes, ptb 8 dumps 4 inches of snow here with 850s of -13 or so... the run of the winter so far! 

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/91/21755/gensfr_8_9_312xyy3.png 

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https://images.meteociel.fr/im/22/15236/gensfr_8_0_288mvz1.png 

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Hippydave
16 December 2025 18:17:02
Does the GEM still verify better than GFS most of the time? 🤡

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Amusingly that all stems from it failing to clear the trigger low south properly, the Atlantic pushes the Azores ridge out of the way and the above is the result.  There's a few of the 6z GFS ens that do similar still, although less than when I looked yesterday, will check the 12z set later.

Just adds a little caution that the nicer looking stuff is still FI I guess. 

Overall though the pattern change still looks likely with HP dominating maybe with an easterly flavour for a few days at least but still TBC on that front. I'm still glass half empty re the 850s, which look the wrong side of marginal to me but as it's all FI and will be seasonal at least, what will be will be!


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doctormog
16 December 2025 18:47:39
The prevailing outlook for the Christmas period in the majority of the output still seems to be an anticyclonic one with an easterly influence probable. So something more seasonal in terms of temperatures, but maybe more cool and grey than anything wintry as things stand.
Brian Gaze
16 December 2025 18:58:34
Interesting ECM tonight. It's daft to extrapolate from a forecast chart for 10 days ahead, but I wonder if we could be heading for the longest "cold" period since 2010.

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Saint Snow
16 December 2025 19:01:36

A sight for sore eyes, ptb 8 dumps 4 inches of snow here with 850s of -13 or so... the run of the winter so far! 

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/91/21755/gensfr_8_9_312xyy3.png 

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https://images.meteociel.fr/im/22/15236/gensfr_8_0_288mvz1.png 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

My eyes zoomed in on the 'snow shield' over MBY

😥


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ballamar
16 December 2025 19:12:46

My eyes zoomed in on the 'snow shield' over MBY

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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

That is impressive bound to verify for you 😂

Ally Pally Snowman
16 December 2025 19:13:54
Ecm 12z is a beauty past day 10 a real Beast.
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Rob K
16 December 2025 19:14:51

Interesting ECM tonight. It's daft to extrapolate from a forecast chart for 10 days ahead, but I wonder if we could be heading for the longest "cold" period since 2010.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I looked at the GFS 12z control run and almost choked on my mulled wine!


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doctormog
16 December 2025 19:17:17
If you want proper deep prolonged cold then the GFS control run deep in FI is one that delivers.
Chunky Pea
16 December 2025 19:50:42
The rapid rise in SLP over eastern Europe (peaking at 1045 hPa) in the last couple of frames of the ECM seems unrealistic to me, but still something I would like to see, especially if it starts to exert influence! 
Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Ally Pally Snowman
16 December 2025 19:58:01

Ecm 12z is a beauty past day 10 a real Beast.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It was indeed a bitter run. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=ecm&var=17&run=12&time=312&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 


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Saint Snow
16 December 2025 21:22:10

Ecm 12z is a beauty past day 10 a real Beast.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Very nice


Martin

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Hippydave
16 December 2025 21:39:16

Tis a fun run - 3 near ice days IMBY towards the end, a couple of cold pools wandering through and 850s of -12 at their lowest for a few areas. It also looks primed for a reload of colder uppers, rather like the cold spells of ye olden days. DPs are pretty low too, so some proper continental air IMBY at times.

Shows the potential in much the same way as the GEM chart I cherry picked earlier shows how it might go less well. 

Quite an entertaining bit of model watching and a possibly dramatic shift from very mild and wet to cold and mostly dry (or more likely given the ens at the moment chilly). 


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Russwirral
16 December 2025 22:17:19
Charts are increasingly (albeit mm by mm) getting better for wintry weather from xmas eve...

if todays charts directly translate, we will see them  probably looking dry right up until about 48hrs, before they show any shower activity.

Even if it doesnt pull off, its still represents the best wintry xmas charts in years


Brian Gaze
16 December 2025 23:01:06
I've just moved some posts to the breakout thread:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t24393-Model-output-breakout-thread 


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ballamar
16 December 2025 23:19:36
Fantastic GFS op run in FI.Shades of Jan 87 albeit with the depth of cold. Looks possible to be quite cold post Xmas with some consistency showing. 
Karl Guille
16 December 2025 23:34:56
A rather stupendous finish to the 18z GFS Op with -10 850hPA air widely over the UK.  A cluster of support in the ensembles too it would appear.  If nothing else I'd take some seasonal temperatures around Xmas and New Year but I'm rather liking the eye candy.
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ballamar
17 December 2025 07:14:03
Quick Look the morning and it seems like a few old problems surface! More of a SE influence in the flow - could be a ‘wobble’ of course. 
doctormog
17 December 2025 07:19:37
A few more days of unsettled weather look likely before things start to settle down a bit over the Christmas period. In the medium term things still look cool and anticyclonic with some form of easterly influence. As ever the details will change from model to model and run to run at this range.
Ally Pally Snowman
17 December 2025 07:20:08
Indeed the issue is can we get properly cold air over the UK. This morning would suggest unlikely. 
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doctormog
17 December 2025 07:56:25
Nice detailed analysis there. What is as expected? The continuing overall theme of cool, anticyclonic more settled conditions over Christmas with the occasional much colder option shown in one or more operational or ensemble member? 

It’s nice to see these more wintry members in the ensembles but currently they remain in the minority.


CField
17 December 2025 08:12:26
Rex high after Xmas ? comes close on  ecm run while gfs want their beloved zonal back ft 384hrs
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Gandalf The White
17 December 2025 08:45:51

Nice detailed analysis there. What is as expected? The continuing overall theme of cool, anticyclonic more settled conditions over Christmas with the occasional much colder option shown in one or more operational or ensemble member? 

It’s nice to see these more wintry members in the ensembles but currently they remain in the minority.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Yes, good summary.

Christmas is still over a week away and even the broad pattern isn’t resolved yet, let alone the detail.  The overnight runs offer a range of scenarios around high pressure somewhere to the north and east-northeast.  My sense is that the likelihood of tapping into any really cold air has reduced, as has the retrogression post Christmas, pulling in the Arctic northerly.  As always, is it the usual wobble around a theme or a change in the next likely pattern? 


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17 December 2025 08:52:51
FAX charts show the overnight quiet weather being swept away by the circulation of a deep depression 947mb SW of Iceland, with an extra disturbance in its flow for S England on Thursday (MetO yellow warning for rain along the S Coast and as far N as Oxford). Once that's out of the way it's back to W-lies with a trough arriving from the west on Sat 20th but stalling over Britain on Sunday.

GFS Op 0z; picks up from FAX and has the trough backing towards Ireland, deepening to a defined LP and then running south to Biscay 995mb by Wed 24th with an E-ly drift for Britain, cool but not really cold air entrained. This LP bumbles around N France /SW Britain (deepest 995mb Bristol Channel Boxing Day) with higher pressure from Scotland to Norway. By Fri 2nd the HP pulls back to Norway/C Europe and the Atlantic asserts itself with mild and strong S-lies for western parts.

ECM: similar to GFS but tales the LP further south (1005mb SE Spain) and increases the HP cell over Scotland (1040mb) by Fri 26th with stronger but still not cold E-lies, sometimes more SE-ly. The pressure difference between these two declines and again the Atlantic is back with S/SW-lies by Fri 2nd

AIFS London, maxima dropping from 10C now to about 3C between Christmas and New Year, an uptick at the very end, some rain this week esp Thu/Fri 18th/19th, hints of snow flurries after Christmas. Edinburgh, similar to London until Tue 30th, then a dramatic rise in maximum to 13C with rain

GEFS: in the S, mild with rain tomorrow (Thu), then near norm with a some rain through to Boxing Day, after which a considerable spread (esp in S) of ens members, majority around 5C  below norm (less in N, actually near norm in far N) but nearly all dry, back to norm for New Year.  Snow rows in many places have single figure values, but not more.

Seasonably cold for Christmas but almost no sign of snow.


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nsrobins
17 December 2025 09:56:39
Some nappy wetting on the other channel about the trend for the weekend ‘trigger’ low to not drop south enough (a la 06Z ICON) or stalling to our west instead of clearing south and east.

This was and still is fairly pivotal to events next week with respect depth of cold, but might not be too impactful as we go further into low probability territory towards New Year. 

Water, bridges, etc - as it always is.


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