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scillydave
31 October 2025 09:35:50
Brian I don't suppose you could put a copy of your post in the November CET thread could you? The data would be useful there.
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westv
31 October 2025 11:48:55
I'm hoping one night that reaches my guess in the "coldest night recorded" competition and then the rest of winter can be as mild as it wants. 😂
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Brian Gaze
31 October 2025 11:52:52

Brian I don't suppose you could put a copy of your post in the November CET thread could you? The data would be useful there.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

Done.


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Brian Gaze
31 October 2025 11:54:34
Here's November 1978.

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Taylor1740
31 October 2025 12:16:38

Here's November 1978.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I imagine a lot of cold air was building out to the East with that, something that doesn't look like happening this year, and the snow cover buildup over Eurasia is very slow this year. Therefore I think if we are to get some kind of Winter it won't start till at least January. Think at best we might get something similar to last Winter which is perhaps the best we can do nowadays in the 'Modern-era' Winter.


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Chunky Pea
31 October 2025 15:46:03

I imagine a lot of cold air was building out to the East with that, something that doesn't look like happening this year, and the snow cover buildup over Eurasia is very slow this year. Therefore I think if we are to get some kind of Winter it won't start till at least January. Think at best we might get something similar to last Winter which is perhaps the best we can do nowadays in the 'Modern-era' Winter.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Likely means nothing but I heard Iceland had a big snowfall already, which is unusual even for there. 

Listening to Eric Snodgrass' podcast earlier, he focued on the Indian Ocean index this Autumn, and he made the suggestion that the state of play there coincides with similar that brought displaced PVs, hence colder outbreaks over N. America and Europe. We'll see. 


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East Galway, Ireland.

kendalian
01 November 2025 17:28:18
There's no science to it at all, but there is a trend often mentioned that the colder winters seem to coincide with England tours of Australia.

ie 1894/5, 1928/9, 1946/7, 1962/3, 1978/9, 1986/7, 1990/91 (had its moments!), 2010/11, 2017/18 (albeit March was the cold month)

2025/6 anyone? Probably as likely as England winning back the Ashes in Australia!

Bertwhistle
02 November 2025 14:52:21
With respect to remarks about 1978-9, although the pressure patterns were different over NE Scandinavia and NW Russia at the start of November, the temperatures at 850 were similar with the -5 line at 6am on 2nd November running roughly from Murmansk, skirting the White Sea coast and then south towards the Russia/Ukraine border.

By 4th HP had set up over C and E Europe in 1978 which is what is currently forecast this year, albeit with different alignment. The 1978 HP then ridged N, bathing Scandinavia in autumnal warmth by 9th, with a very cold plunge into Kazakhstan, similar to forecast for this year. Very different set-ups followed but there was a lot of mild weather involved across Europe in both cases.

By 14th in 1978 the really cold airmass had moved further east, and there was little immediate sign of an easterly incursion, although Greenland was experiencing colder 850s than forecast now.

My point is, even with similarities at short range, differences will occur down the track. Analogies are interesting, but more significant larger-scale features, such as what is happening in the Pacific, are more useful in my opinion for speculating further ahead.  I'm not denying the world is warmer and the degree & longevity of any cold incursions is most often likely to be less, but to talk with great confidence about early or late cold, or lack of it, based on undisclosed evidence is as risky as the 'front loaded summer' comments back in July.


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Brian Gaze
17 November 2025 16:04:13


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Retron
17 November 2025 16:29:31

https://x.com/Petagna/status/1990326861063442480

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

If it were 2001 I'd be quite excited at that little list. Not so much these days, as these days you need so much to fall into place - and, of course, we've seen it all so many times. The only consistent things which you can forecast without fail each winter are a) the lower 48 States seeing widespread cold and snow at some point and b) news reports over here of snow falling in places you don't associate with it.

We've seen those various acronyms come and go and none of them are magic - IMO far too much emphasis is placed in the MJO, for example, especially as it's just another way of viewing pressure/rainfall charts for the Indian Ocean. And if anyone suggested looking at pressure charts for the Indian Ocean to forecast our weather - they'd be laughed out of court. My favourite was the OPI, the October Pattern Index, which had a remarkable success rate at hindcasting weather... but which proved to be worse than useless at forecasting. The poor chaps behind it vanished without another word once that winter was over.

I still prefer the traditional approach, simply looking at the ensemble output and going from there. The ECM 45-dayers are as good as any and I combine it with a watchful eye on the stratosphere - as SSWs are one of the few things that *does* often have an effect.

The ECM-45 is currently showing a near-normal period for early to mid-December and that's about as good as you'll see at that range. I'm hopeful the weakening - even if not a full reversal - of the stratospheric westerlies will provide a break from the usual Atlantic dross as winter gets going. 


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Rob K
19 November 2025 09:43:27
I posted this in the snow reports thread (with heavy 50p-size flakes pelting down outside!) but perhaps more appropriate here:

It's weird how in recent years we seem to get snow early and late in the season - in fact often outside the true winter, in November and April - more than we do in the heart of winter. Perhaps something to do with the changing patterns, with the locked-in winter pattern having too much of a strong jet, but allowing brief wafts of cold air as it resets in autumn and spring?

Last year on the exact same date we had snowfall and then there was virtually no more all winter (a light covering on January 4) and looking back through my pic library searching for "snow" we had March 2023, April 2021 (our last "proper" lying snowfall more than a centimetre), March 2018....


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21 November 2025 14:27:06
Nil desperandum from

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/stratospheric-warming-watch-polar-vortex-collapse-cold-snow-impacts-coming-for-united-states-canada-europe-fa/ 

After salivating over cold weather for the eastern US for most of the webpage, in the final chart it shows a cold easterly for the second week of December running south of the Baltic and across the N Sea to S Britain


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Retron
21 November 2025 14:35:19

 the final chart it shows a cold easterly for the second week of December running south of the Baltic and across the N Sea to S Britain

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Don't get too excited, that's a cherry-picked ensemble member. The mean from the run is here:

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202511200000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512150000 


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DEW
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21 November 2025 17:26:03

Don't get too excited, that's a cherry-picked ensemble member. The mean from the run is here:

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202511200000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512150000 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's in the nature of straws to be clutched at😊


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Chichester 12m asl

Retron
21 November 2025 17:54:44

It's in the nature of straws to be clutched at😊

Originally Posted by: DEW 

'Tis the season! 😁I'm surprised at that blogger doing so, though, it reminds me of those clickbaity "The EXACT MOMENT a massive WALL OF SNOW will hit the UK!" type things. 


Leysdown, north Kent
Sasa
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21 November 2025 20:48:40

It's in the nature of straws to be clutched at😊

Originally Posted by: DEW 

If that prediction comes true, I’ll be freezing my balls off high in the French Alps — which is definitely not what I want.❄️


Kingston Upon Thames
Dickieboy68
22 November 2025 09:09:38
I recall several members discussing over the year(s) that one way to 'estimate' the number of snow falls was that it matched the number of thunderstorms in the previous summer😊, yep I liked that too!! 

But now I have tweaked that relationship, .... Over last summer we did have the 4 heatwaves .... so, we should equally expect 4 cold waves (obviously this is open to linguistics, could be 'cold snaps' or 'cold squeak!'). However, I think we've just had the first one, so 3 more to come for our prospective pleasure.

That does seem an awfully low number now I've typed it up, but 3 more may well be it. I do hope though, that one of them is a full 'cold crescendo' (resonating like the end of A Day in the Life).

Cheers All 🥶


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Saint Snow
25 November 2025 11:42:37
Any misguided hope for a nice* December that I may have had has well and truly dissolved.

* cold and snowy


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Lionel Hutz
26 November 2025 14:22:20
https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_iqr_timeseries.png 

Another sign of the times. Lowest ever at this time of the year. Let's hope that it can recover somewhat over the winter.


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Sasa
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26 November 2025 15:47:06

https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_iqr_timeseries.png

Another sign of the times. Lowest ever at this time of the year. Let's hope that it can recover somewhat over the winter.

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

Interesting weather and climate patterns this year, no doubt. Moscow still has snow and we’re nearly in December and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a lack of cold/snow cover across parts of western Russia at this time of year.

However, December is now looking less mild than some of the earlier forecasts suggested. I’m following the situation over the Alps closely, and they seem to be setting up for one of the best early seasons in years, even for the lower resorts. Unusual and very welcome change.

Anyway, this weekend my car is getting its winter tyres fitted for the trip, and I’m looking forward to some snowy roads when I head to the Alps on the 13th of December.


Kingston Upon Thames
Boardshark
27 November 2025 16:10:42
Having followed this, it was above average until a storm caused havoc.  So shows ice was performing well but a sever one event has wreaked havoc.
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White Meadows
27 November 2025 21:50:14

Any misguided hope for a nice* December that I may have had has well and truly dissolved.

* cold and snowy

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Yep. 

Met contingency planners from early this month looks like another one for the bin. In fact it’s turned out quite the opposite. 

For all the upgrades and £xxxm investment in tech the skill &’tools’ for long term forecasting looks futile. 

Sasa
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27 November 2025 21:53:19

Yep. 

Met contingency planners from early this month looks like another one for the bin. In fact it’s turned out quite the opposite. 

For all the upgrades and £xxxm investment in tech the skill &’tools’ for long term forecasting looks futile. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

One thing you can guarantee is that beyond 7–10 days, it will be the opposite of what the models—or the hundred million pound computer is showing, so therre is hope.


Kingston Upon Thames
Brian Gaze
30 November 2025 13:10:01
As we head into the winter, it's perhaps more important to keep in mind the data from recent years and decades rather than focus on forecast X, Y or Z. The image linked below adds more value, in my opinion, than a lot of the more “complicated” analysis and buzzwords flying around.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/a4bf/live/7e340180-9c57-11ef-93ac-57886715ae8d.jpg.webp 


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Taylor1740
30 November 2025 13:51:26

Yep. 

Met contingency planners from early this month looks like another one for the bin. In fact it’s turned out quite the opposite. 

For all the upgrades and £xxxm investment in tech the skill &’tools’ for long term forecasting looks futile. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Yes indeed, one thing it was very bullish on was a very dry Winter and the first half of December at least looks the complete opposite of that.


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