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Brian Gaze
31 October 2025 11:58:32
The first half of November is looking mild! Here's this morning's AIFS ensemble for London.

(AIFS ENS is here https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmaifsens.aspx on TWO)

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Brian Gaze

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cultman1
31 October 2025 14:27:05
Could see temperatures in the high teens for the foreseeable future then 
White Meadows
31 October 2025 22:43:40

Could see temperatures in the high teens for the foreseeable future then 

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

A definitive and sustained cooling trend emerging today:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=gfs&var=202&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 

…by no means remarkable for early November but you gotta start somewhere. 

The Beast from the East
01 November 2025 02:43:58
signs of high pressure trying to take control for later in the month, but its looking pretty crap for a while yet.  Just wish we could have some calm dry weather
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01 November 2025 08:14:47

signs of high pressure trying to take control for later in the month, but its looking pretty crap for a while yet.  Just wish we could have some calm dry weather

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Unlikely with Melissa injecting energy and moisture into the N Atlantic circulation, even if no longer recognisable as a distinct feature.


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01 November 2025 08:59:17
FAX - the current dominant LP near Iceland 962 mb  is filling but still has enough energy to generate brisk W-lies pushing fronts across Britain. On Sunday, the remains of Melissa arrive to pep it up, and the whole of the N Atlantic becomes a low pressure zone with multiple fronts moving east. Some of this energy gets transferred to the south and there is a trough 987mb in the SW approaches on Wed 5th. At the same time a new LP, deep at 947mb, is starting out across the Atlantic from Newfoundland. 

GFS agrees with the above (though the trough on Wed 5th is a minor feature). There is then a long period with LPs from the Atlantic moving towards Britain but being stalled by HP over the N Sea - generally S-ly winds, so mild, drier in the east but no doubt occasional fronts traversing Britain from the south. LPs approach: 960mb S of Iceland Fri 7th, 1000mb SW of Ireland Mon 10th, 1000mb Cornwall Thu 13th. The last of these runs S-wards into Biscay for a brief shot of fine weather over Britain before returning Mon 17th. Pressure remains high over the Baltic typically 1030mb throughout, briefly ridging to Britain Sat 15th.

ECM agrees but makes more of the LP Mon 10th which runs NE-wards to Scotland instead of filling.

GEFS generally cool for this weekend, very mild at the beginning of next week, then mean temp near norm out to Mon 17th with fairly good ens agreement. The SE stays mainly dry, the SW has periods of rain every other day from Wed 5th, the NE has rain around Wed 5th and perhaps a few days after then mostly dry, the NW also has rain Wed 5th but takes longer to dry up afterwards

AIFS London, maxima holding at around 15C for all of next week (i.e. for longer than GFS), but at 10C this weekend and steadily dropping to that figure after Fri 7th, rain Sat 1st, occasional small amounts after that. Edinburgh, maxima as for London, though a more gradual decline after the 7th, rain also Sat 1st but also substantial amounts Mon/Tue 3rd/4th and Mon 10th.

I will be away travelling for the next fortnight with only the smart phone so I shan't have time to do leisurely reviews on the laptop, perhaps just the occasional comment from time to time. Resuming Sun 16th but don't be shy to fill in with your comments.


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David M Porter
01 November 2025 20:48:57
Hi folks, first time I have been on here in ages! I've had a lot going on at home and at work recently, hence my prolonged absence.

I wanted to ask if anyone else has found it impossible to access the Wetterzentrale site since last night. I have bee using that site for years to view the model output and since around dinnertime last night, I have been getting this message:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/ 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else had found this?


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Gandalf The White
01 November 2025 20:58:44

Hi folks, first time I have been on here in ages! I've had a lot going on at home and at work recently, hence my prolonged absence.

I wanted to ask if anyone else has found it impossible to access the Wetterzentrale site since last night. I have bee using that site for years to view the model output and since around dinnertime last night, I have been getting this message:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/ 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else had found this?

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Hi David, I did wonder why you hadn’t been posting; welcome back.

That link works for me, but the bookmark I had doesn’t.  This should work

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?model=gfs&lid=OP 

I use Meteociel, mainly because my French is better than my German, which is almost non-existent. 🙂


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BJBlake
02 November 2025 00:19:11
Evening David, Likewise. Very busy year and only now finding a few moments to think about the weather prospects for the most exciting season (from my perspective) for weather that is, and whilst the signs are that November is shaping up as an autumn month - with temperatures still firmly in mid double figures, there have been hints in the models of colder plunges. 

My local lake is a dry bowl and the chalk stream that feeds it is dry. Another local chalk stream has dried up completely for the first time ever, and losing its native trout population, otters and mayflies etc, so some rain is very welcome, and no enough of it is reaching the east and south east for my liking right now. 

Best wishes for the winter to come, however you like it.


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
David M Porter
02 November 2025 10:13:45

Hi David, I did wonder why you hadn’t been posting; welcome back.

That link works for me, but the bookmark I had doesn’t.  This should work

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?model=gfs&lid=OP 

I use Meteociel, mainly because my French is better than my German, which is almost non-existent. 🙂

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Hi Peter, thanks for the welcome back, much appreciated. I hope all is good with you. 👍

I'm pleased to advise that I've been able to get access to WZ again. I went into Google and typed in Wetterzentrale in the search box to see if I could get into it from there, which thankfully I can. My guess is that they have possibly changed their server and the wesbite address I was using until a couple of nights ago is no longer valid.


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Ally Pally Snowman
02 November 2025 10:19:44
Glad you are back David P. 

We are now just about entering the silly season as GFS now goes out to the 18th November.  P25 looks interesting. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&run=0&time=384&lid=P25&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 


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Ally Pally Snowman
02 November 2025 10:21:10
Some long range gurus seem to think December might deliver this year. We'll see.
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Brian Gaze
02 November 2025 11:43:53

Some long range gurus seem to think December might deliver this year. We'll see.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

A significant number of people will bounce in and out of this thread via Google. Therefore, it's worth pointing out that every year there are sources providing "convincing" reasons why the coming winter will deliver in terms of cold and snow. The most important points to remember are:

1) No one knows with any certainty, we could have a cold month or even a cold winter.

2) The evidence from recent years strongly supports the idea that any given winter is much more likely to be mild than cold.

3) Many publishers are under increasing pressure due to the rapidly changing nature of the internet, so they are more tempted than ever to chase a quick sugar rush by predicting "snow" and "severe" weather.


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02 November 2025 17:42:46

A significant number of people will bounce in and out of this thread via Google. Therefore, it's worth pointing out that every year there are sources providing "convincing" reasons why the coming winter will deliver in terms of cold and snow. The most important points to remember are:

1) No one knows with any certainty, we could have a cold month or even a cold winter.

2) The evidence from recent years strongly supports the idea that any given winter is much more likely to be mild than cold.

3) Many publishers are under increasing pressure due to the rapidly changing nature of the internet, so they are more tempted than ever to chase a quick sugar rush by predicting "snow" and "severe" weather.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I've been online since 1998 and in all that time there has always been a tendency for certain individuals to make predictions of severe weather wanting the acolade of being proved right yet hoping it will go unoticed when proved wrong.


Col

Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

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Retron
02 November 2025 18:21:32

I've been online since 1998 and in all that time there has always been a tendency for certain individuals to make predictions of severe weather wanting the acolade of being proved right yet hoping it will go unoticed when proved wrong.

Originally Posted by: Col 

The modern version is found on the "new tab" clickbait stories that you get on Edge and Firefox. In the past couple of days there have been stories via certain papers with headlines like: "Chart turns purple as it shows the EXACT MOMENT a 30-mile wide BAND OF SNOW hits the UK!" The image is invariably a single frame of a GFS or ECM run or ensemble member. 

There has been a lot of money made by these sorts of things but it remains the case that there is no magic bullet, we're still no closer than we were when TWO first started in terms of knowing what the upcoming winter holds. The only case that really comes to mind was when GLOSEA was used by the Met Office back in 2010 to predict some cold and snowy weather - it was mentioned each time in the hand-written 30 day outlook on their website. 

Talking of which, as we know GLOSEA isn't showing much of interest for cold weather fans, but the newly named "near seasonal" charts on the ECM website continue to show a colder interlude in the first half of December - this has been a theme over the past few runs.

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202511010000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512150000 

Note that "colder interlude" means "near average" rather than the usual "fair bit above average"!


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Brian Gaze
02 November 2025 21:48:02
More signs of a change to colder weather mid month. ECM and GFS 12Z updates are quite interesting.

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nsrobins
03 November 2025 10:23:44
My nose is sniffing out the first signs of something interesting in the air - enough to tempt me out of my summer hibernation.
Neil

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Brian Gaze
03 November 2025 11:38:28
I agree. There is interest at the moment.

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Jiries
03 November 2025 19:27:14

More signs of a change to colder weather mid month. ECM and GFS 12Z updates are quite interesting.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Hopefully that bring lot of sunshine with it.  Those temperatures are what we used to get in October annually before now being 1 month later.

BJBlake
04 November 2025 07:56:20
Yes - that’s my experience too. Winter has been pushed back to December and often Mid December - lasting to Mid Feb at best. The met office prediction of an early winter might be showing some signs of happening though, because of the consistent hint on the most reliable models of a Scandi high pressure developing to waft some cooler air our way and possible provide a first proper air frost.

Still no sign of rainfall of significance in the SE to refill depleted aquifers. My local lake remains dry and cracked, and the chalk stream feed  dry too. If the Met office Is correct, a blocked (if not cold) winter could deliver a dry winter and drought at the start of another hot summer. 

It was July before the lake dried (only for the second time since the first time  in 1976), a lake that before 1976 used to host fishing competitions - teaming with fish, and the ducks now paddle in a lower lake with just 6 inches of muddy water left - being 4 feet down.

So if the Scandi high brings anything - let it be sunshine - as it will not bring winter me thinks until December is embedded, and then let the rain bearing lows traverse the country for a month!!


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
04 November 2025 09:53:59
I haven’t been around much either, work has been so busy this year. But I am back for silly season and things are starting to look interesting for late November.
Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

The Beast from the East
04 November 2025 10:32:02

I haven’t been around much either, work has been so busy this year. But I am back for silly season and things are starting to look interesting for late November.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

welcome back.  another front loaded winter seems to be the recent pattern.  lets hope we can get it to coincide with Xmas this time.  I would love to see a white christmas before I die. 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Heavy Weather 2013
04 November 2025 11:04:25

welcome back.  another front loaded winter seems to be the recent pattern.  lets hope we can get it to coincide with Xmas this time.  I would love to see a white christmas before I die. 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Me as well. I am hoping for front loaded I think snow is so special at this time of year.


Mark

Beckton, E London

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Ally Pally Snowman
04 November 2025 13:19:32
Ensembles have taken a turn to the milder sadly today.
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Saint Snow
04 November 2025 14:18:59

Ensembles have taken a turn to the milder sadly today.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

And we're all familiar with how this works 😒

The good news is that it's only GFS (6z) that brings in the milder solution - and with the Op at least, it's because the big high that was to our E/ENE gets forced to sit further south (centred over Germany/Denmark/Poland by t+216) by strong lows moving over the top of it. It's still ridging over the UK so nice and dry, but wafting milder air over us.

ECM (0z) is still steady-as-she-goes, though.

And AIFS (6z) delivers a tantaliser, building a huge GH! 

This is t+240

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