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BJBlake
30 January 2025 10:49:20

I'm not really sure I agree with that. To me this winter has been more interesting, but it has been curiously unsatisfyingly. A bit like watching a test match batsman reach 40 and then get out.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

HaHaHa...absolutely on the nail. The nearly winter. But how much of this is due to the background warming I wonder. Can’t help feeling the occluded front arriving tomorrow would have been snow back in the period 1960-90. Now its sleet or snow above 300m.


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
fairweather
31 January 2025 10:28:11
Thank God this abysmal January is finally coming to an end. The worst I can ever remember. Zero settled snow and about 3-4 decent days and a couple of hoar frosts were the highlights. Otherwise it has been almost completely sunless with either rain or thick grey cloud both giving the impression of cold but without a proper cold spell. I expect February will be the same. I'm actually starting to prefer Atlantic weather now as we get much more sun and the rain is generally shorter lived here and we have missed the high winds as well -so far.
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Jiries
31 January 2025 11:02:11

Thank God this abysmal January is finally coming to an end. The worst I can ever remember. Zero settled snow and about 3-4 decent days and a couple of hoar frosts were the highlights. Otherwise it has been almost completely sunless with either rain or thick grey cloud both giving the impression of cold but without a proper cold spell. I expect February will be the same. I'm actually starting to prefer Atlantic weather now as we get much more sun and the rain is generally shorter lived here and we have missed the high winds as well -so far.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Last bit I agreed I been seeing lot of sunshine days after the recent storm which brought very unusual low humidity for Jan.  Highlights was the deep frost overnight and very low humidity.  Snow?  Not see any at all since slush puppy snow are not snow actually.  Lowest outside was -6.2C and -11.2C grass min the only time I record outside before removing the sensor back inside once nasty HP gloom came.  Conservatory was interesting lot of diurnal ranges which more interesting than outside bland ranges which now i am recording daily. Lowest was -2.6C to 23.3C yesterday warmest day for Jan.  Sun are getting stronger so hopefully by end of Feb to see first over 80F temps or first 30C and start cutting down on the heating times to permantantly off by late March if possible.

tierradelfuego
31 January 2025 11:40:19

Lowest was -2.6C to 23.3C yesterday warmest day for Jan.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Our temps here outside have been similar to yours, but that is crazy low for inside a conservatory, I am pretty sure this is a new one you had installed. It doesn't sound very thermally efficient glass if I'm being honest.

My greenhouse is attached to our garage where I can keep things pretty much chilled like a fridge in cold weather, so not the main house, and is obviously not double glazed. The greenhouse has not been below 0c all winter.


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Saint Snow
31 January 2025 12:23:48

Thank God this abysmal January is finally coming to an end. The worst I can ever remember. Zero settled snow and about 3-4 decent days and a couple of hoar frosts were the highlights. Otherwise it has been almost completely sunless with either rain or thick grey cloud both giving the impression of cold but without a proper cold spell. I expect February will be the same. I'm actually starting to prefer Atlantic weather now as we get much more sun and the rain is generally shorter lived here and we have missed the high winds as well -so far.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

My experience this month is very different to yours!


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Jiries
31 January 2025 12:31:23

Our temps here outside have been similar to yours, but that is crazy low for inside a conservatory, I am pretty sure this is a new one you had installed. It doesn't sound very thermally efficient glass if I'm being honest.

My greenhouse is attached to our garage where I can keep things pretty much chilled like a fridge in cold weather, so not the main house, and is obviously not double glazed. The greenhouse has not been below 0c all winter.

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

Might be but not bother about how cold at night as I keep the french doors closed before sun set time and all day closed when I am on day shift so maximum are similar to outside in low to high digits.  I have them install mainly to warm the house up which was very successful last year after having a poor cool summer, it kept our indoor temps 25-30C daily, highest 33C when outside was hazy 29C the highest for 2024.   At night in summer around mid teens to high teens if doors closed but if opened which I did during warm spikes can get to low 20's.  How big your greenhouse?  Mine is 4x3m and facing SE.

When it hit -2.6C inside glass was also frosty as outside too.  Often outside misty glass than inside on other clear nights.

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31 January 2025 12:55:31

Last bit I agreed I been seeing lot of sunshine days after the recent storm which brought very unusual low humidity for Jan.  Highlights was the deep frost overnight and very low humidity.  Snow?  Not see any at all since slush puppy snow are not snow actually.  Lowest outside was -6.2C and -11.2C grass min the only time I record outside before removing the sensor back inside once nasty HP gloom came.  Conservatory was interesting lot of diurnal ranges which more interesting than outside bland ranges which now i am recording daily. Lowest was -2.6C to 23.3C yesterday warmest day for Jan.  Sun are getting stronger so hopefully by end of Feb to see first over 80F temps or first 30C and start cutting down on the heating times to permantantly off by late March if possible.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

If you're planning to grow any plants in your conservatory, except for a few tough-as-old-boots types, you'll need to find some way of achieving a more moderate range.


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Jiries
31 January 2025 14:27:52

If you're planning to grow any plants in your conservatory, except for a few tough-as-old-boots types, you'll need to find some way of achieving a more moderate range.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

No plans to put plants as we don't have house plants since my mom passed away in 2006 but kept some until it all died out and not replaced.   I just will plants normal flowers in the garden as now Spring shoots are appearing.  I got seeds from Cyprus wild yellow flowers to sow them in Spring as they like to grow in low 20's temps which was part of flowering season in Cyprus in April which get same british summer temps.   I got red and purple poppies seeds to put so will have wild flowers part in the soil area.  After the Spring bulbs died back will buy some flowers from the garden centre, marigolds are good as they withstand very dry or wet condtions so I don't have to water often.

Bolty
01 February 2025 04:52:15
Yes! January is over! So that's the three worst months of the year over and done with. It's also nice to see the evenings getting lighter and to know that the horrid late afternoon darkness that plagues this country in mid-winter is over and done with for another nine months.

Onwards and upwards! 😁


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Roger Parsons
01 February 2025 06:21:17

Yes! January is over! So that's the three worst months of the year over and done with. It's also nice to see the evenings getting lighter and to know that the horrid late afternoon darkness that plagues this country in mid-winter is over and done with for another nine months.

Onwards and upwards! 😁

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Here's Thomas Hardy's take on it:

"The bars are thick with drops that show

As they gather themselves from the fog

Like silver buttons ranged in a row,

And as evenly spaced as if measured, although

They fall at the feeblest jog"

At Middlefield Gate at February

http://www.poetryatlas.com/poetry/poem/558/at-middle-field-gate-in-february.html 


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richardabdn
02 February 2025 10:31:39
Continuing very much in the same vein as the past two winters. One decent spell otherwise completely dire, depressing and extremely uninteresting tripe in which it's a struggle to even achieve a frost.

The past 10 days have been the absolute pits. Totally uniniteresting, unusuable and unpleasant. A toxic mix of wind, rain. gloom, frostless and snowless. Can't get out cycling, no use for photography and feels nasty and cold all the time so heating needs to be on full blast. The perfect illustration of why British winters are good for absolutely nothing and the worst to be found anywhere on Earth.

Not a single cold or mild day. Constantly in the tedious range of 5-7C day after day and still a frost can't be achieved apart from one night in the past 10 where it plunged to -1C. Only one other night has got as that low since the cold spell ended on 12th January. Utterly dreadful.

Worst of all the Weekend Curse continues to plumb new depths. Hideously grim weekend. The temperature has more or less flatlined on 5C under rancid grey skies for the past 24 hours. Yesterday we had a horrendous wind to endure. Today that's been replaced by drizzle off the North Sea. As bad as it gets and the talk of possible easterlies makes me want to scream. Will end up the worst February for years.

27 months of constant vile grey Sundays. 27 months of Sunday constantly having the worst weather of the week. It would be enough to try the patience of the most tolerant and it just keeps getting worse and worse.

Averaging a beyond woeful 1.1 hours, or 17% of the possible sun, for Sunday this winter with not a single mostly sunny one. Horrific rubbish every single week. Needless to say it's the lowest I've recorded by some margin, the previous dullest being during 2008/09 when it averaged 1.47 hours (20%). No other winter recorded an average below 2 hours, and it will fall even lower after todays garbage is added in.


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Bolty
05 February 2025 16:13:51
A lovely end to the day, with sunshine still casting on the ground at gone 16:00. A month ago and the light would be fading by now. I just hope the upcoming easterly doesn't last too long and then the potential SSW (sudden spring wrecker) doesn't come off.
Scott

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DEW
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08 February 2025 14:02:56
I have to admit that Wednesday and Thursday were nice but yesterday and today we're back to overcast with cold rain, again. Time was when you could count on an easterly bringing dry air off the continent and get a week of sunny days with frost - and with a bit of luck, even some proper snow as the Atlantic tried to undercut the high. It's just not happening any more.
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westv
08 February 2025 14:43:55
Only 21 days to meteorological Spring. 
Big heat in May

Summer will be spray.

richardabdn
09 February 2025 10:28:08

 Time was when you could count on an easterly bringing dry air off the continent and get a week of sunny days with frost - and with a bit of luck, even some proper snow as the Atlantic tried to undercut the high. It's just not happening any more.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Not true. Easterlies have always been grim like this and responsible for many of the dullest winter months on record for the bulk of the country. Only the Hebrides, West of Ireland, Devon, Cornwall, and West Wales stand any chance of getting anything remotely decent out of them which is why I find it perplexing why so many seem to desire them. 

What we have now is the worst possible synoptic set-up producing the worst possible garbage. Awful, awful February. On course to be a zero-rated month that is so far the worst since 1994 here. Utterly rancid with no redeeming qualities. Yet again the triple U jackpot has been achieved - unpleasant, uninteresting, unusable.

Forecast to be sunny today but, having an ounce of meterological knowledge, I knew it wouldn't be and surprise, surprise it's a stinking grey day like every single poxy, vile Sunday in this godforsaken winter. I have been recording sunshine for over 18 years and this winter is on course to be the first season with not a single mostly sunny Sunday. In fact it's on course to be the first season in which any day of the week has failed to record one sunny day.

It's beyond credulity. Two years of this and you think how on earth can it go on this long? It can only get better but it just gets even worse. 

I think even last winter with nearly 400mm of rain was more enjoyable than this. No variety whatsoever. Not even 50 shades of grey. It's just the same tedious, ugly, featureless grey mess every single Sunday.

Even December 2023 with over 200mm of rain was better than this. Alongside that we managed an ice day, a snow day and several days of nacreous clouds. Can't think of anything positive about this rotten month. Two grim write-off weekends and we have even lost the decent sunrises/sunsets we had during December and January. The absolute pits.


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2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November

2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits

2025 - The Weekend Curse hell intensifies

Hungry Tiger
09 February 2025 17:32:11

Thank God this abysmal January is finally coming to an end. The worst I can ever remember. Zero settled snow and about 3-4 decent days and a couple of hoar frosts were the highlights. Otherwise it has been almost completely sunless with either rain or thick grey cloud both giving the impression of cold but without a proper cold spell. I expect February will be the same. I'm actually starting to prefer Atlantic weather now as we get much more sun and the rain is generally shorter lived here and we have missed the high winds as well -so far.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

So it's not just me. I don't think I've known a winter as grey and dismal as this one. February has carried on as January as left off. We're in day 40 of the new year and I doubt we've had more than 25 hours of sunshine this year. Combined with the number of days in which we've had temperatures in double figures 7 or 8 at the most . This is a dismal winter with nothing nice to look at.  😞 I can't remember one like it.   😞 


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Retron
09 February 2025 17:39:05

Not true. Easterlies have always been grim like this and responsible for many of the dullest winter months on record for the bulk of the country. Only the Hebrides, West of Ireland, Devon, Cornwall, and West Wales stand any chance of getting anything remotely decent out of them which is why I find it perplexing why so many seem to desire them. richardabdn;1627124

That's not true either, at least here in Kent (and indeed many of the Home Counties). Easterlies here up to the turn of the millennium often involved deep cold aloft, and though they started with a grey blanket it broke up after 2 or 3 days to sunshine and (very heavy) snow showers, interspersed with longer periods of snow from troughs or convergence lines. The snow itself made things brighter, too, and I've vivid memories of the "bright night" effect caused by the streetlights reflecting off the snow.

They used to be wonderful, they really did, and it's galling that they've become so rare.

Here's a picture from the last great easterly, that of Feb 2005. The sun was stronger than in the classic midwinter easterlies, but there were plenty of blue skies between the bouts of snow.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/2005-snow.jpg 

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doctormog
09 February 2025 18:07:29
Well this one is grim with persistent rain here in London at the moment. 
fairweather
09 February 2025 19:24:02

Well this one is grim with persistent rain here in London at the moment. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You get used it! My friend is in the Cairngorms atm- looks beautiful there, especially Loch Morlich 😀


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
09 February 2025 19:28:23
Just seen the forecast for the rest of the week. More of this awful miserable grey clag,, cold and drizzly rain. what an awful winter it has been her. Almost endless grey skies, damp with zero snow on the ground.
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Steve
10 February 2025 09:30:36

Thank God this abysmal January is finally coming to an end. The worst I can ever remember. Zero settled snow and about 3-4 decent days and a couple of hoar frosts were the highlights. Otherwise it has been almost completely sunless with either rain or thick grey cloud both giving the impression of cold but without a proper cold spell. I expect February will be the same. I'm actually starting to prefer Atlantic weather now as we get much more sun and the rain is generally shorter lived here and we have missed the high winds as well -so far.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I completely agree. This has to be the gloomiest winter I can remember. 

I really don't care what happens now - cold frosty sunshine, or mild springlike sunshine - but just some sun, please !!

Brian Gaze
10 February 2025 11:04:41
Just noticed adverts for the Cheltenham festival are appearing. I'm not interested in horse racing, but it's one of those markers which appear through the course of the year. I associate it with the start of the spring.
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Bolty
11 February 2025 13:39:29
Nasty weather. Cold, raw and cloudy with not much going on. I can't wait for this easterly to sod off.
Scott

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Jiries
11 February 2025 13:46:54

Nasty weather. Cold, raw and cloudy with not much going on. I can't wait for this easterly to sod off.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Same here and we do better with snow chances from the Cheshire Gap from the NW, at least there sunny weather in between and temps a bit colder than less cold Easterly.

So hoping now the models to be completely reliable to remove the unwanted easterly out and bring back to normal service.  During the normal service we had more sunny days with frosts in between lows.

One thing I never understand why the easterly are so wet compare to recent storm last month that brought short lived rain then follow by superb proper dry sunny days with record low humidity for Jan.  Altantic is 3500 miles of water but there clearance but from North sea just hundred of miles long with large continent doesn't allow any clearance.

sunny coast
12 February 2025 13:25:39

Continuing very much in the same vein as the past two winters. One decent spell otherwise completely dire, depressing and extremely uninteresting tripe in which it's a struggle to even achieve a frost.

The past 10 days have been the absolute pits. Totally uniniteresting, unusuable and unpleasant. A toxic mix of wind, rain. gloom, frostless and snowless. Can't get out cycling, no use for photography and feels nasty and cold all the time so heating needs to be on full blast. The perfect illustration of why British winters are good for absolutely nothing and the worst to be found anywhere on Earth.

Not a single cold or mild day. Constantly in the tedious range of 5-7C day after day and still a frost can't be achieved apart from one night in the past 10 where it plunged to -1C. Only one other night has got as that low since the cold spell ended on 12th January. Utterly dreadful.

Worst of all the Weekend Curse continues to plumb new depths. Hideously grim weekend. The temperature has more or less flatlined on 5C under rancid grey skies for the past 24 hours. Yesterday we had a horrendous wind to endure. Today that's been replaced by drizzle off the North Sea. As bad as it gets and the talk of possible easterlies makes me want to scream. Will end up the worst February for years.

27 months of constant vile grey Sundays. 27 months of Sunday constantly having the worst weather of the week. It would be enough to try the patience of the most tolerant and it just keeps getting worse and worse.

Averaging a beyond woeful 1.1 hours, or 17% of the possible sun, for Sunday this winter with not a single mostly sunny one. Horrific rubbish every single week. Needless to say it's the lowest I've recorded by some margin, the previous dullest being during 2008/09 when it averaged 1.47 hours (20%). No other winter recorded an average below 2 hours, and it will fall even lower after todays garbage is added in.

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

It absolutely typifies today's bland climate  of the 2020s    truly awful depressing winter 

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