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richardabdn
Sunday, January 19, 2025 10:16:02 AM
It just seems to be almost an exact repeat of what happened in the past two winters. Decent spell of snow followed by horrific crud so bad we can't even manage a frost. It's seems to be becoming harder to get frost than it is to get snow. Personally I'm not bothered about seeing any more snow but being unable to get a frost in the midst of winter is just inexcusable especially when it happens year after dismal year.

2022/23 was beyond shocking after the snow departed on the 18th December. There was just 10 frosts the remainder of the winter with none at all in February. Last winter was almost as poor. Immediately following the end of the snow on 19th January there was one frost in the next 18 nights and only seven for the remainder of the winter.

On a similar run of abject horror at the moment with no frost for a week, at a time of year it should be regular. Dropped to +0.2C last night which if anything is more irritating than not even getting close.

Worse of all is the continuation of the horrific sunless Sundays that have been relentless since November 2022, as the repellent gloom that has been suffocating the south for days moves in with perfect timing. 

It's just getting worse and worse. The most sun on any Sunday this winter has been 2.2 hours. You have to go all the way back to 24th November for the last time 50% has been achieved. A diabolical run on it's own but in context of what proceeded it there are no words to do justice to the extreme depressing horror.

2023 had the lowest Sunday sun average in my 18 year records and last year was almost as bad with the second lowest. Just 30% of the possible sun since November 2022 when all other days are between 35 and 39%. It defies any rational explanation. It's the equivalent of being constantly stuck in the dullest possible years, as only 1980 and 1993 in the past 55 years have had an annual total as low as 30%.

When are we going to break out of this tedious rut of absolute and utter hell?


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2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits

2025 - The Weekend Curse hell intensifies

Jiries
Sunday, January 19, 2025 3:25:53 PM

It just seems to be almost an exact repeat of what happened in the past two winters. Decent spell of snow followed by horrific crud so bad we can't even manage a frost. It's seems to be becoming harder to get frost than it is to get snow. Personally I'm not bothered about seeing any more snow but being unable to get a frost in the midst of winter is just inexcusable especially when it happens year after dismal year.

2022/23 was beyond shocking after the snow departed on the 18th December. There was just 10 frosts the remainder of the winter with none at all in February. Last winter was almost as poor. Immediately following the end of the snow on 19th January there was one frost in the next 18 nights and only seven for the remainder of the winter.

On a similar run of abject horror at the moment with no frost for a week, at a time of year it should be regular. Dropped to +0.2C last night which if anything is more irritating than not even getting close.

Worse of all is the continuation of the horrific sunless Sundays that have been relentless since November 2022, as the repellent gloom that has been suffocating the south for days moves in with perfect timing. 

It's just getting worse and worse. The most sun on any Sunday this winter has been 2.2 hours. You have to go all the way back to 24th November for the last time 50% has been achieved. A diabolical run on it's own but in context of what proceeded it there are no words to do justice to the extreme depressing horror.

2023 had the lowest Sunday sun average in my 18 year records and last year was almost as bad with the second lowest. Just 30% of the possible sun since November 2022 when all other days are between 35 and 39%. It defies any rational explanation. It's the equivalent of being constantly stuck in the dullest possible years, as only 1980 and 1993 in the past 55 years have had an annual total as low as 30%.

When are we going to break out of this tedious rut of absolute and utter hell?

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

HP is the main problem where is sit and kill our seasons, for a best sunshine set up in winter is HP over the Altantic and we get clear cloud free zone and in summer HP need to be in the East or SE to bring clear skies but sadly both -set-up had been absent so we get wrong placed HP and over us bring lot of gloom and wet weather.

doctormog
Sunday, January 19, 2025 3:29:16 PM
In contrast, yesterday was a glorious sunny day. 😉
Roger Parsons
Monday, January 20, 2025 8:20:21 AM
Enjoy...

Mesmerising ice formations cover US lake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c360038jnndo 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

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Roger Parsons
Monday, January 20, 2025 8:25:27 AM
Dog walker spots rare 'hair ice' in woods

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2d34ye13z9o 


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Heavy Weather 2013
Tuesday, January 21, 2025 6:10:27 PM
It’s utterly infuriating to see New Orleans get snowfall. It sits on the coast off one of the warmest bodies of water on earth, in a tropical region and not a hint of slushy sleetiness or any failure to settle.

Look I get the Synoptics of it all, but it makes it no less frustrating. And thanks for that very system, our winter gets blown away.


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Saint Snow
Tuesday, January 21, 2025 8:32:29 PM

It’s utterly infuriating to see New Orleans get snowfall. It sits on the coast off one of the warmest bodies of water on earth, in a tropical region and not a hint of slushy sleetiness or any failure to settle.

Look I get the Synoptics of it all, but it makes it no less frustrating. And thanks for that very system, our winter gets blown away.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Agree 

Especially as it's been on and off drizzle here for 36 hours


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

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Heavy Weather 2013
Tuesday, January 21, 2025 8:59:34 PM

Agree 

Especially as it's been on and off drizzle here for 36 hours

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Currently 7in and countering there now. That is more snow that I have seen in decades.


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Saint Snow
Tuesday, January 21, 2025 9:06:31 PM

Currently 7in and countering there now. That is more snow that I have seen in decades.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

🥺


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

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Jiries
Tuesday, January 21, 2025 9:14:19 PM

It’s utterly infuriating to see New Orleans get snowfall. It sits on the coast off one of the warmest bodies of water on earth, in a tropical region and not a hint of slushy sleetiness or any failure to settle.

Look I get the Synoptics of it all, but it makes it no less frustrating. And thanks for that very system, our winter gets blown away.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I always know the main reason we can't get proper powdery snow is the HP where it sit that prevent proper cold snowy set-up over UK.  We can easily get snow and proper cold if every LP move East or SE.   The last crap cold spell was destroyed by this current cloudy HP and now this storms are such a wimp not able to get into Europe at all by this same winter killer HP sitting ther deflecting it.  For sure Alps resorts are fuming now to as they wanted this coming week LP to dive to those areas to give much needed snowfall but instead stuck under dry cloudy HP.  

tallyho_83
Wednesday, January 22, 2025 6:46:00 PM
A waste of cold spell with 3-5c by day and 2-3c by night for the past several days and nights now with overcast skies with mist and fog and drizzle and never really clearing to allow a frost. A waste of a cold spell TBH. As Gav would say it's a gruesome twosome!
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fairweather
Friday, January 24, 2025 2:53:59 PM

Agree 

Especially as it's been on and off drizzle here for 36 hours

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Change that to 36 days, pretty much for here!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
Friday, January 24, 2025 2:57:00 PM
No sign of interesting weather - most likely just another wrongly positioned HP bringing more gloom  This has been one of the worst winters I can remember here for any kind of either pleasant or interesting weather be it sun, wind, cold or snow. No lying snow here of any note for years now. The best was two days of clear skies and hoar frosts. November was just as cloudy and grim. I'm likely to die of lack of vitamin D at this rate!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
Friday, January 24, 2025 3:07:18 PM

It's one of the annual traditions - media stories popping up of snow in places like the Sahara, or record-breaking dumps in the States. Perhaps the most frustrating thing of all is that it gives those Americans who insist there's no such thing as global warming a perfect platform, and the media laps it up.

At this rate the next time we get 6 inches here (if we ever do!) it'll end up as headline news abroad. 😂

Originally Posted by: Retron 

The biggest mistake we ever made was calling it global warming at the outset and not climate change. Played into the hands of the deniers. It is clear that snow in New Orleans is as about the nearest thing you could get to confirm climate change!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Jiries
Friday, January 24, 2025 6:12:46 PM

No sign of interesting weather - most likely just another wrongly positioned HP bringing more gloom  This has been one of the worst winters I can remember here for any kind of either pleasant or interesting weather be it sun, wind, cold or snow. No lying snow here of any note for years now. The best was two days of clear skies and hoar frosts. November was just as cloudy and grim. I'm likely to die of lack of vitamin D at this rate!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Today was just close to wall to wall sunshine and under the LP and tomorrow full sun again before any nasty cloudy HP move back in, Despite the winds, today was very pleasant and much far enjoyable than recent HP gloom hell.  Heating was little use today thanks to the sun amount to warm up indoors.  

Bolty
Sunday, January 26, 2025 7:23:45 PM
I tend to find that it's around this time that my interest in cold and snow starts to wane. For instance, seeing the last GFS run threaten an easterly in February just had me thinking "for God's sake", whilst this run's February 1998-esque charts have me hoping they'll come off. I much prefer November-January cold. Once we hit February, my desire and interest in it quickly dies off. My thoughts are rapidly turning towards spring now.
Scott

Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.

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NMA
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Monday, January 27, 2025 3:47:06 PM
It looks like parts of Somerset bore the brunt of the recent deluges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c87dy8qwvlqt 

It was let's say interesting here earlier too. 

A lot of agricultural land is on its way to the sea, looking at the murky floodwaters in some of the pictures.

The Frome, normally a clear chalk stream is thick with silt from open farmland without winter cover crops to protect the soil.


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Roger Parsons
Monday, January 27, 2025 4:13:33 PM

It looks like parts of Somerset bore the brunt of the recent deluges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c87dy8qwvlqt 

It was let's say interesting here earlier too. 

A lot of agricultural land is on its way to the sea, looking at the murky floodwaters in some of the pictures.

The Frome, normally a clear chalk stream is thick with silt from open farmland without winter cover crops to protect the soil.

Originally Posted by: NMA 

Some years ago I was having a walkabout in Nepal and got chatting to a local farmer with excellent English. We talked about the usual stuff and he remarked "Do you know what Nepal's biggest export is?" I said "No!" and he replied "Bangladesh!" Years of deforestation and erosion of steep slopes - you know the story. I took a colleague from Bangladesh to Skegness on day - to Gibaltar Point - and he said: It's just like Bhola Island!" 😁

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RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

NMA
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Monday, January 27, 2025 4:18:44 PM
Many British farmers haven't learnt the lesson yet in spite of the evidence flowing off their land.
Vale of the Great Dairies

South Dorset

Elevation 60m 197ft

Roger Parsons
Monday, January 27, 2025 4:25:02 PM

Many British farmers haven't learnt the lesson yet in spite of the evidence flowing off their land.

Originally Posted by: NMA 

I took my Bhola Island colleague to see Lincoln Cathedral. He was impressed. Being rather communist in his view he remarked: "It is very important to preserve such buildings because they show the Church's exploitation of the Broad Masses." Taking him back to London we stopped near Wembley for a curry. The manager was from Bangladesh so they got into a good discussion. He was a bit startled when the manager said "What Bangladesh needs is Mrs Thatcher! She'd sort those ******s  out!" Seems we are still having a similar discussion here! 😁


RogerP

West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire

Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.

William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

tierradelfuego
Monday, January 27, 2025 6:35:31 PM

Many British farmers haven't learnt the lesson yet in spite of the evidence flowing off their land.

Originally Posted by: NMA 

100% agree unfortunately, and as a fly fisherman in the beauty of our English chalkstreams, I am fully supportive (in all ways, not just financially) to the work that Fergal Sharkey and many others do to try and protect such an important ecosystem...it is so sad to see the decline in the last 10 years let alone decades.


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West Berkshire Downs AONB

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Brian Gaze
Tuesday, January 28, 2025 11:19:54 AM
This is a very odd winter IMO. I'm not sure what to compare it to. January is still running below the 61-90 CET but it has all been very underwhelming in my patch. 
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Berkhamsted

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Taylor1740
Tuesday, January 28, 2025 7:04:37 PM

This is a very odd winter IMO. I'm not sure what to compare it to. January is still running below the 61-90 CET but it has all been very underwhelming in my patch. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Perhaps a bit though I feel it also very much fits the pattern of recent winters in the modern era, that being a brief cold snap in late November or early December, a very mild rest of December, a cold snap or cold spell in January and then what looks like being a mildish February. The main difference this year being the cold spell in January was longer and more severe than usual, however looking like another warmer than average winter overall though nothing like as mild or unsettled as the long range forecasts were suggesting before the winter.


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Chunky Pea
Tuesday, January 28, 2025 9:28:20 PM

I tend to find that it's around this time that my interest in cold and snow starts to wane. For instance, seeing the last GFS run threaten an easterly in February just had me thinking "for God's sake", whilst this run's February 1998-esque charts have me hoping they'll come off. I much prefer November-January cold. Once we hit February, my desire and interest in it quickly dies off. My thoughts are rapidly turning towards spring now.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Largely agree with this. I much prefer the gradual descent into winter (Oct, Nov, Dec) than that grueling ascent out of it. (Jan, Feb, Mar). I think once December ends, the prospect of lengthening days begins to daunt. Not a fan of the longer daylight hours at all, except for that period around the summer solstice for some reason, as that near all night twilight has a sort of ancient magic about it that I can't really explain. 


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East Galway, Ireland.

Brian Gaze
Thursday, January 30, 2025 9:25:34 AM

Perhaps a bit though I feel it also very much fits the pattern of recent winters in the modern era, that being a brief cold snap in late November or early December, a very mild rest of December, a cold snap or cold spell in January and then what looks like being a mildish February. The main difference this year being the cold spell in January was longer and more severe than usual, however looking like another warmer than average winter overall though nothing like as mild or unsettled as the long range forecasts were suggesting before the winter.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

I'm not really sure I agree with that. To me this winter has been more interesting, but it has been curiously unsatisfyingly. A bit like watching a test match batsman reach 40 and then get out.


Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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