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05 December 2024 09:47:25

Met office forecast for wind gusts on Saturday has risen to 62 mph here. It showed 47mph last night and 58mph earlier this morning.  At what stage do they issue Amber warnings?  We’re booked on an elf train experience with our granddaughter on Saturday.  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

The organisers will probably cancel it if the forecast is very windy for the safety of the elves. 'Elf and safety, and all that.

(Sorry, it just had to be done.)

And before I get my coat, I'm interested to see on the GFS00z medium term a period of dry weather with an easterly wind for here. Although it might be chilly. it should at least dry out the ground.


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Tonbridge, 40m (131ft) asl

05 December 2024 10:14:38
A cold rain lovers delight as far as the eye can see.
Berkshire
Taylor1740
05 December 2024 10:41:05
GFS 6z not looking good for Saturday with widespread Northerly winds gusting over 60mph across much of Northern England and the Midlands during the middle of the day also. Can see this being upgraded to an amber warning if the track of the storm is maintained.
NW Leeds - 150m amsl
Downpour
05 December 2024 10:48:52

After the storms looks chilly but not cold enough for anything particularly interesting in the South. Scotland could do ok especially hills. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Does look rather seasonal (and dry) down here though next week – which is welcome. 


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johncs2016
05 December 2024 10:59:54
Once Storm Darragh passes through, the models which I've looked at seem to suggest that high pressure will build from our NW and a very strong high at that with pressure up to possibly peaking at over 1040 mb.

Whilst that will be a welcome relief for some from the wind and rain, I just hope that this doesn't end up being a cloudy high like what we had at the beginning of November.

We are now approaching the winter solstice and at this time of the year, dull and overcast days can sometimes never actually get properly light all day here due to the very low Sun angle in the sky even at midday.

This means that if we do end up with a cloudy high rather than a clear high (which would at least increase the risks of frost and fog), we could be in for a very dark period ahead due to the resulting anticyclonic gloom here which for a lot of people, is likely to be very depressing indeed.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Rob K
05 December 2024 11:15:01

Once Storm Darragh passes through, the models which I've looked at seem to suggest that high pressure will build from our NW and a very strong high at that with pressure up to possibly peaking at over 1040 mb.

In the space of 63 hours the pressure on the GFS run in southern Scotland rises 68 millibars, from 978mb to 1046mb!


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Retron
05 December 2024 11:24:26

In the space of 63 hours the pressure on the GFS run in southern Scotland rises 68 millibars, from 978mb to 1046mb!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

A low that deepens by 24 millibars in 24 hours is colloquially a bomb - wonder what the reverse is called? An explosive high, maybe!

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/storms/weather-bomb 


Leysdown, north Kent
warrenb
05 December 2024 11:26:26

A low that deepens by 24 millibars in 24 hours is colloquially a bomb - wonder what the reverse is called? An explosive high, maybe!

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/storms/weather-bomb 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

A flatulent High


lanky
05 December 2024 11:39:33

A low that deepens by 24 millibars in 24 hours is colloquially a bomb - wonder what the reverse is called? An explosive high, maybe!

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/storms/weather-bomb 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Logically an implosion


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

Saint Snow
05 December 2024 12:27:55

Logically an implosion

Originally Posted by: lanky 

Logically, shouldn't the swift reduction in pressure be termed the implosion?


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Saint Snow
05 December 2024 12:29:20

A flatulent High

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Sounds when you let rip a particularly noxious fart in bed and put your head under the covers till you go light-headed?

Er, so a friend told me.


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Brian Gaze
05 December 2024 13:27:15
Back OT now please.
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Saint Snow
05 December 2024 14:16:41

Back OT now please.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

🤣

The 6z GFS starts some potentially promising evolutions but quickly has the next low bustling throw to bring more crap.


Martin

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warrenb
05 December 2024 14:24:39

🤣

The 6z GFS starts some potentially promising evolutions but quickly has the next low bustling throw to bring more crap.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

But the 6z ensemble mean stays below the average until the end of the run, so all is not lost. Although it may be just cold rain.


fairweather
05 December 2024 14:42:37
Fax charts look worse for wind in the south Saturday which is bad news for my son-in-law who is flying to Europe from Bournemouth (Hurn) airport Saturday afternoon.  No chance!
S.Essex, 42m ASL
ballamar
05 December 2024 18:17:11
UKMO at 168 offers some promise, possibly get blown away but in isolation could setup cold

ECM looks decent setup at 168 as well could be a NE setting up

David M Porter
05 December 2024 19:09:15

UKMO at 168 offers some promise, possibly get blown away but in isolation could setup cold

ECM looks decent setup at 168 as well could be a NE setting up

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

I think what happens beyond the HP positioning itself over the UK early next week is still very much up in the air at the moment in terms of where it goes afterwards. To coin a much used phrase in this thread, more runs are needed.


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jhall
05 December 2024 21:12:58
The ECM OP at T+216 is tantalising. At T+240 it looks like being a case of so near but yet so far. The ensemble isn't available that far out just yet, but could be intriguing when it's ready.
Cranleigh, Surrey
Gandalf The White
05 December 2024 21:50:59

The ECM OP at T+216 is tantalising. At T+240 it looks like being a case of so near but yet so far. The ensemble isn't available that far out just yet, but could be intriguing when it's ready.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

ECM ensemble for London

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=0&y=0&run=12&ville=Londres&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&type=0&runpara=0&mode=1 


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Karl Guille
05 December 2024 21:58:03
Big changes again early on in the GFS 18z!

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/18_81_mslp850.png 


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Lionel Hutz
06 December 2024 00:04:29

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx 

Yes, a case of "at least it won't be mild".


Lionel Hutz

Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland

68m ASL



BJBlake
06 December 2024 00:18:53
Sadly the GFS seems to me to be the most reliable model in recent weeks - e.g. it predicted the track of our Storm D better than the other models, and I fear the less cold outlook will Sadly be verified, but I live in hope that the run tomorrow will return to an Arctic incursion - just in time for Christmas. 

I missed out on the November snow, and am hopeful to see some this winter....particularly in the light of The weak La Niña. Especially if a video I was sent was true that predicted Just 5 years to reach the 2 degree of warming tipping point of self perpetuating runaway green-house warming from methane release in oceans and Tundra melt and the wet bulb impacts of this on the tropics, making them unlivable.

 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Gandalf The White
06 December 2024 00:20:36

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx

Yes, a case of "at least it won't be mild".

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

🙂

Towards the end of the run the 18z GFS control builds quite a solid block from Scandinavia westwards which retrogresses towards Iceland, with a cold easterly across much of the country.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
06 December 2024 03:11:22
I am more interested in the potential of a possible SSW brewing: Look at end of 18z GFS showing temp @ 10hpa @ +384z? - I am surprised not many people are talking about this on here.

Certainly a displacement of the PV over the N. Pole.

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You can see this in the strength of zonal winds @ 60 deg N. Last week they were forecast to remain strongly positive throughout December and now look below: - No reversal but definitely a weaker than average zonal flow...- maybe they have picked up on this stratospheric warming!?

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doctormog
06 December 2024 06:45:25

I am more interested in the potential of a possible SSW brewing: Look at end of 18z GFS showing temp @ 10hpa @ +384z? - I am surprised not many people are talking about this on here.

Certainly a displacement of the PV over the N. Pole.

UserPostedImage

You can see this in the strength of zonal winds @ 60 deg N. Last week they were forecast to remain strongly positive throughout December and now look below: - No reversal but definitely a weaker than average zonal flow...- maybe they have picked up on this stratospheric warming!?

UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

One look at the graph shows why people aren’t talking about it. Bar the noise normal expected at the extended there is no suggestion of an SSW. The mean windspeed is marginally below the long term average but I doubt it would be of any statistical significance.

That could all change of course, and perhaps one of the outliers may from to fruition.


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