Agree with this - I wonder, in the great scheme of things, just what the net saving is going to be ? 

There are no easy answers are there? I think this will act as  another blocker.

Ending the lockdown it’s clearly much harder than putting it in place. 

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I've always wondered do we as a nation have a higher % of PL than others? Are we that different?

Humm, to be fair, it's a valid question.

Though if ability to speak another language is anything to go by...

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Is no one thinking about the kids? I'd be mightily peed off if I'd thought no school until September only to return a few weeks later.

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Is no one thinking about the kids? I'd be mightily peed off if I'd thought no school until September only to return a few weeks later.

Who says no one is thinking of the kids? A renewed lockdown and blanket school closure due to a spike in infections would be significantly worse than a timely controlled return. That needs to be avoided at all costs. Get the schools open in a way they can steadily return to normal.

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Is no one thinking about the kids? I'd be mightily peed off if I'd thought no school until September only to return a few weeks later.

My daughter is delighted at the prospect of returning in 2 weeks. We keep on telling her though that it is not definite to temper her enthusiasm.

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The majority of children are probably really keen to be back but can you imagine the damage to mental health if the return is botched and things are shut down again. Kids (and all of us) like routine and certainty.

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Reading a lot of the comments on social media suggest to me that a lot of parents won’t send their kids to school anyway.

 

We've decided not to as we just don't see the rush when there is so much we don't know about this disease yet. we have boys of 4  and 6. A boy of 9 in their school has had the Kawasaki 'like' illness and was very ill in hospital for a time. Thankfully better now but it just brings it home that we know so little about this illness still. It won't be perfect in September but we should be in a much better position with knowledge and cases by then at least.

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Who says no one is thinking of the kids? A renewed lockdown and blanket school closure due to a spike in infections would be significantly worse than a timely controlled return. That needs to be avoided at all costs. Get the schools open in a way they can steadily return to normal.

It's highly unlikely there will be no new cases in September never mind when Scottish schools go back.
If no risk at all is allowed by unions and hysterical media they may as well stay home until about next spring. 

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The chief medical officer for the WHO this morning on Andrew Marr saying we will probably have to learn to live with the virus for at least five years - does not sound optimistic about a viable vaccine being able to kill it (just like influenza).

Clearly we cannot have societal lockdown for five years, so we have to have the strategies for living with the virus being omnipresent - that includes testing, contact tracing and havin processes to protect those most at risk - something like what is already done for the winter flu.

 

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It's highly unlikely there will be no new cases in September never mind when Scottish schools go back.
If no risk at all is allowed by unions and hysterical media they may as well stay home until about next spring. 

Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.

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It's highly unlikely there will be no new cases in September never mind when Scottish schools go back.
If no risk at all is allowed by unions and hysterical media they may as well stay home until about next spring. 

How much public money does your farm get?

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Have been told by the head to start marking out the classrooms with yellow and black tape for SD head has decided at this stage year 6 (totally 90’ will be sets of 8 per class so roughly 11 or12classes used for this year group. If it goes ahead.

All classrooms to be deep cleaned beforehand. 

Head is against early years return so I think hoping for backdown on that yer group

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im not sure but I think special schools do not meet the same government  time table as primary or secondary schools a more valuable at risk group  mental health Etc hence your 15 th June date.?

@ MM

you keep on posting nonsense about schools it’s not you looking after the children is It it’s not you bring it home is it it’s not you risking anything is it please stop to be considerate you would think differently if it was wouldn’t you.

some folk are never grateful.

 

With regard to my own situation, we have been told school will be opening to more pupils from the 15th of June. We've not been told any details of how this will work - there is zero chance of social distancing in my school - but perhaps they will use the 'bubble' approach where small groups of children and staff remain separate. At the end of the day we'll have to do what we are told, the unions, despite the bluster have got very little power.

It's highly unlikely there will be no new cases in September never mind when Scottish schools go back.
If no risk at all is allowed by unions and hysterical media they may as well stay home until about next spring. 

It is not about “no risk” and I don’t think anyone has said that, it is about effective risk management. Surely that is a good thing?

The suggestion is that such mensures are not there at the moment. I could make a list but I doubt anyone who has made up their mind would either care or read it. It is fine to make blanket bkack and white statement but the situation is far more nuanced and complicated than that.

We have no effective contact tracing and testing system in place but do have thousands of identified new cases each day. Opening schools may very well turn out to be totally unproblematic but who will be answerable if it turns out not to be the case. A betting man of course will be up for a bet where they don’t pay if they make the wrong decision.

Edit: I answered your question previously Maunder (although I cannot find my answer ). There are numerous reasons why after summer makes sense and 2 weeks time does not:

The evidence from the impact of school openings elsewhere, the bigger picture of the spread and more likely control of the virus, tracking and testing will hopefully be in place, risk assessments will have been carried out, adaptations to school buildings will have been put in place.

The list is massive.

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Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.

Ok, when are you going to infect yourself with SARS-Cov-2?

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Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.

 

It won't be perfect in September but we should know much more about the disease and cases should be much lower. I don't think there is much to gain in rushing back in June.

 

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Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.

Yet again you and Four are guilty of thinking in digital terms when the reality is analogue.

There are degrees of risk between zero and very high. The real debate is about where on that line is sufficiently safe and sensible.

Absolute positions are for idiots and those who won't listen.

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Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.

For me, it is as Joe and myself said last night: Full (or maybe even partial) re-opening of schools will only be safe to do once we have a proper test, trace and isolate system in place in this country, if we get one up and running at all that is.

That will also be the only way we can meaningfully ease the lockdown right across the UK, as far as I'm concerned.

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Yet again you and Four are guilty of thinking in digital terms when the reality is analogue.

There are degrees of risk between zero and very high. The real debate is about where on that line is sufficiently safe and sensible.

Absolute positions are for idiots and those who won't listen.

Spot on.

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Al fresco pubs and dining to save the high street

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/16/al-fresco-pubs-dining-save-high-street/

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What bollocks, come to work with me and help mark out the floor out next week what nonsense statement.

 

 

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Exactly - why do the teacher unions think things will be any different in September? I posed that question yesterday.

There is always risk in life and the best way to mitigate it is to stay in bed all day in a nuclear bunker - but bunker mentality achieves nothing in the end.