Hopefully there will be clarity come 14:00 however, I expect some people would pick holes whatever had been done/said.

That's true, and I am a culprit, but I don't pretend to be impartial. I hate the Tories and everyone knows that!

You need to worry when people like Brian, Justin, Gandalf etc start to be critical

The real problem is that the govt has trusted people to exert their own personal responsibility in dealing with this virus.

Trouble is most people don't have any.

Let's just go full police state, I've had enough of this dragging on. Labour complains about the Tories being fascist all the time, I think its time for some real fascism to put things in perspective.

 

Look at the photos of packed London Tubes this morning as people are called back into work! Well done Boris

Some debate on here this morning and no surprise the same boring protagonists at work who whatever the PM said would have been chomping at the bit putting the knife in. Multiple posts by the same people, so boring. I know
I go on about China responsibility and Russian stats, but at least I pause and come up for air.
Look, some 14 hours after the announcement with all the detail still to come later some are just too desperate to rubbish this govt down.
Yes even after the release of the 50 page document there will still be questions, it won't answer everything, but even here IF things go according to plan, then next phases and relaxations will solve and sort out many of these problems. It can't all happen in one go!
Until then, I think some of you need to have a good look at yourselves. You are not idiots and there are some very knowledgeable contributors on here but you also let yourselves down by your constant bitching and moaning. It's boring, very boring!
Any govt in charge would be under fire. Any govt would be in a no win situation. What a thankless task.
You should grow up a little, cut them some slack, don't be the boo boys all the time, you belittle yourselves when all the time we know you just like pantomine villains.
Yes this govt has mucked up like many of govt's have in hindsight, but every now and again it would be good if there was some support.

Great post! What the hell were people expecting him to say in the speech last night.It was just an outline of the roadmap to get things moving again with conditions of certain critera being met,nothing was set in stone!!I thought his speech was clear concise easy to understand and delivered excellently.The petty political point scoring on here is tiresome.No matter what the govt is doing or going to do all the anti tory lot are going to be critical.If those of you are that bothered and so upset by what was announced then don`t go to work don`t go out and stay at home.Just wait for the details today before criticising.Boris was hardly going to read out a 50 page document on tv was he!

 

Look at the photos of packed London Tubes this morning as people are called back into work! Well done Boris

Grim....

 

Great post! What the hell were people expecting him to say in the speech last night.It was just an outline of the roadmap to get things moving again with conditions of certain critera being met,nothing was set in stone!!I thought his speech was clear concise easy to understand and delivered excellently.The petty political point scoring on here is tiresome.No matter what the govt is doing or going to do all the anti tory lot are going to be critical.If those of you are that bothered and so upset by what was announced then don`t go to work don`t go out and stay at home.Just wait for the details today before criticising.Boris was hardly going to read out a 50 page document on tv was he!

He should have published the document first, then made his TV address. Its chaos in London this morning with poor people being called into work

Even the most tribal Tory should be able to agree with that?

Scientists concerned that coronavirus is adapting to humans

Researchers have observed mutations in some strains that may help the virus spread

Scientists have found evidence for mutations in some strains of the coronavirus that suggest the pathogen may be adapting to humans after spilling over from bats.

The analysis of more than 5,300 coronavirus genomes from 62 countries shows that while the virus is fairly stable, some have gained mutations, including two genetic changes that alter the critical “spike protein” the virus uses to infect human cells.

....

“This is exactly what we need to look out for,” Hibberd [LSHTM] said. “People are making vaccines and other therapies against this spike protein because it seems a very good target. We need to keep an eye on it and make sure that any mutations don’t invalidate any of these approaches.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/10/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans

 

Hibberd says the mutations are rare at the moment. However, this is exactly the sort of thing which could blow up many of the vaccines on the launchpad. 

Surely such a mutation would only make the vaccine ineffective against that specific mutation?

 

He should have published the document first, then made his TV address. Its chaos in London this morning with poor people being called into work

Even the most tribal Tory should be able to agree with that?

 

It is chaos by the looks of it and no wonder - totally confusing messages from the PM last night and then contradicted by his deputy this morning. At least we can rely upon the usual suspects in here to lap up whatever they are told unquestioningly and condemn those who point out the confusion as "idiots".

The sycophancy is reassuring in a way.

 

Grim....

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So, no change from the images we were being shown 4, 5, 6 and 7 weeks ago.

Coronavirus: Male security guards, chefs and taxi drivers among those most likely to die from COVID-19, says ONS https://t.co/VOZ5NPWYyf

— SkyNews (@SkyNews) May 11, 2020

Coronavirus: Male security guards, chefs and taxi drivers among those most likely to die from COVID-19, says ONS https://t.co/VOZ5NPWYyf

— SkyNews (@SkyNews) May 11, 2020

Just reading through this.

Construction workers listed on this as well. Must be reassuring for them this morning heading to work.

Some debate on here this morning and no surprise the same boring protagonists at work who whatever the PM said would have been chomping at the bit putting the knife in. Multiple posts by the same people, so boring. I know
I go on about China responsibility and Russian stats, but at least I pause and come up for air.
Look, some 14 hours after the announcement with all the detail still to come later some are just too desperate to rubbish this govt down.
Yes even after the release of the 50 page document there will still be questions, it won't answer everything, but even here IF things go according to plan, then next phases and relaxations will solve and sort out many of these problems. It can't all happen in one go!
Until then, I think some of you need to have a good look at yourselves. You are not idiots and there are some very knowledgeable contributors on here but you also let yourselves down by your constant bitching and moaning. It's boring, very boring!
Any govt in charge would be under fire. Any govt would be in a no win situation. What a thankless task.
You should grow up a little, cut them some slack, don't be the boo boys all the time, you belittle yourselves when all the time we know you just like pantomine villains.
Yes this govt has mucked up like many of govt's have in hindsight, but every now and again it would be good if there was some support.

The problem is Phil that IMO, it is difficult for many people to avoid criticising the government because of the, in my opinion rather inept way they have handled this crisis in this country since it began. From reading many of the Covid-19 threads we have had here in the past couple of months, I would say there is a sizeable majority on this forum who seem to share my view.

Had Boris Johnson and co dealt with matters in the same competent and effective way that the governments of nations such as Germany, SK, NZ and Taiwan (to name a few) appear to have done, there would have been far fewer grounds for anyone to have criticised the government.

 

Great post! What the hell were people expecting him to say in the speech last night.It was just an outline of the roadmap to get things moving again with conditions of certain critera being met,nothing was set in stone!!I thought his speech was clear concise easy to understand and delivered excellently.The petty political point scoring on here is tiresome.No matter what the govt is doing or going to do all the anti tory lot are going to be critical.If those of you are that bothered and so upset by what was announced then don`t go to work don`t go out and stay at home.Just wait for the details today before criticising.Boris was hardly going to read out a 50 page document on tv was he!

That is the point. Why choose a Sunday night to make such a critical announcement, not have the absolutely vital details available and then leave absolutely no room or time for questions and clarification?

There was little wrong with the speech per se but absolutely everything wrong with the timing and the lack of proper planning and communication that was absolutely essential to ensure clear and effective messaging.

I'm astonished that even the most timid of docile supporters can't see that as an exercise in clear communication it was a failure.  

"I want you to prepare for a long journey and the specific details are really important but I'm not telling you any of the details."

 

It is chaos by the looks of it and no wonder - totally confusing messages from the PM last night and then contradicted by his deputy this morning. At least we can rely upon the usual suspects in here to lap up whatever they are told unquestioningly and condemn those who point out the confusion as "idiots".

The sycophancy is reassuring in a way.

If this was me I said you were NOT idiots, a bit different to calling you idiots or are you putting words in my mouth as well!

 

If this was me I said you were NOT idiots, a bit different to calling you idiots or are you putting words in my mouth as well!

Calm down, dear. It wasn't you.

 

That is the point. Why choose a Sunday night to make such a critical announcement, not have the absolutely vital details available and then leave absolutely no room or time for questions and clarification?

There was little wrong with the speech per se but absolutely everything wrong with the timing and the lack of proper planning and communication that was absolutely essential to ensure clear and effective messaging.

I'm astonished that even the most timid of docile supporters can't see that as an exercise in clear communication it was a failure.  

"I want you to prepare for a long journey and the specific details are really important but I'm not telling you any of the details."

Another 12 hrs for the commons statement/document, with an address to the nation thereafter pushing key points. It was clear that was the better way of doing it. I can’t fathom why it was done on a Sunday evening.

 

That is the point. Why choose a Sunday night to make such a critical announcement, not have the absolutely vital details available and then leave absolutely no room or time for questions and clarification?

There was little wrong with the speech per se but absolutely everything wrong with the timing and the lack of proper planning and communication that was absolutely essential to ensure clear and effective messaging.

I'm astonished that even the most timid of docile supporters can't see that as an exercise in clear communication it was a failure.  

"I want you to prepare for a long journey and the specific details are really important but I'm not telling you any of the details."

When it came out, even the simple stay at home, protect the nhs and save lives caused debate, what does it mean, what can we do can't do because it was new instructions to digest, until it settled down somewhat with questions answered.

This is exactly the same. New instructions here. Debate. Let it get sorted.

Even the simplest simplest new guidance would still attract questions.

pic.twitter.com/k6Sr4Iac15

— realmattlucas (@RealMattLucas) May 10, 2020

 

Porterpedia would have read exactly the same, Brian.

If everyone had done what they were told during the lockdown we would be virtually back to normal by now.

Giving people more responsibility when they can't handle the small amount they had seems ridiculous.

If I was running things, it would be very different though I can guarantee none of you would like it.

If everyone had done what they were told during the lockdown we would be virtually back to normal by now.

 

I feel that's a slight exaggeration considering.