I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. Their main mouthpiece has been the BBC, which walks hand in hand with the Guardian, the BBC bias for remainers in Brexit was astonishing, totally unacceptable. For that, the BBC will never be forgotten and a full review with changes can't come quick enough in certain areas. I quote them on virus stuff, but politically I don't trust them. Since the election their presenters have undergone a personality transplant. The sly devils are muted to keep hold of their jobs, but you can sense the frustration in them. They could not stop themselves argueueing with leavers up to the election.

The hard left were in power. We were under dictatorship until the December election finally broke the mold.

There is the hard left BBC/Guardian and the centre right. I am centre right as I am sure a lot round here are. Don't get that confused with the hard right which is Tommy Robinson territory.

this has to be the most bonkers post in a while....I had not appreciated that Theresa May was on the hard left....nor for that matter David Cameron...or Gordon Brown..or Tony Blair...what your post reeks of  is absurd ideological nonsense.....In fact in the last few months we’ve had the most hard left, socialist policies introduced in this country since 1945....all under Boris Johnson ...and in that context I totally agree with those policies,,,I guess you are miffed that your Brexit sunny uplands nervana is disappearing in a puff of smoke...due to Covid 19 and you have the unpleasant reality from your perspective of some EU countries doing rather better than than the UK is in the on going battle....

 

Kent has risen up the charts because of the fall off in the number of covid cases in London. Just look at the dramatic drop in the number of London hospital cases versus the lower drop in the number of cases elsewhere including in south-east England. Cities/towns elsewhere in the country have seen moved up the number of infections table as well - Gateshead now has the highest number of cases per head in the whole of England whereas it wasnt in the top 30 several weeks back - are you suggesting Gateshead's rise is down to a mass of illegal immigrants surging into the area? Immigrants may or may not be affecting the number of cases but Kent has a population of 1.5 million so a few hundred immigrants are not likely to be having a large impact

As you said Kent is 60th so hardly a hotbed for the virus

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Kent has risen up the charts because of the fall off in the number of covid cases in London. Just look at the dramatic drop in the number of London hospital cases versus the lower drop in the number of cases elsewhere including in south-east England. Cities/towns elsewhere in the country have seen moved up the number of infections table as well - Gateshead now has the highest number of cases per head in the whole of England whereas it wasnt in the top 30 several weeks back - are you suggesting Gateshead's rise is down to a mass of illegal immigrants surging into the area? Immigrants may or may not be affecting the number of cases but Kent has a population of 1.5 million so a few hundred immigrants are not likely to be having a large impact

Er, no? However, at best the new arrivals will be healthy, at worst they'll be adding to the totals. There's not much info out there, of course.

Although in terms of cases per population Kent is a long way down the table, the rate of increase in cases has been high enough to propel it from lower in the absolute cases table to the top spot, then extend that lead. It does seem to be the case that there are various hotspots, Kent was one in mid April and now it looks like it's the northwest that's having a bit of a surge.

All this will complicate things when the lockdown is eased, as if there's a greater R value in some areas then the last thing you want to do is encourage more mixing. I don't envy the planners' task, that's for sure!

 

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Yes, its not good at all.

 

😛😛it’s what happens when you read a diet of the daily mail and express....hundreds become thousands....and thousands become millions...just like benefit scroungers and  cheats, illegal immigrants..the list could go on....and exactly as Beast says...scapegoating is a very successful strategy in political terms...

 

this has to be the most bonkers post in a while....I had not appreciated that Theresa May was on the hard left....nor for that matter David Cameron...or Gordon Brown..or Tony Blair...what your post reeks of  is absurd ideological nonsense.....In fact in the last few months we’ve had the most hard left, socialist policies introduced in this country since 1945....all under Boris Johnson ...and in that context I totally agree with those policies,,,I guess you are miffed that your Brexit sunny uplands nervana is disappearing in a puff of smoke...due to Covid 19 and you have the unpleasant reality from your perspective of some EU countries doing rather better than than the UK is in the on going battle....

Some EU countries doing rather better than the UK? This has just started. We are barely on the starting blocks with this. I wouldn't be backing any horses just yet! As to Brexit sunny uplands, yes we are leaving no transition 31 Dec. The further we are from the EU Titanic when it sinks, the better! Can't come quick enough! May was a weak and feable remainer, a puppet for the EU. Just thank god remainer MPs did not vote for her ludicrous deal. They got greedy, her deal was the EU's dirty work!

 

Doesn't matter what rag it is. Do you understand what the word illegal means? 

"Guardian? Enough said! "

So it clearly does matter to you . You are entitled to your view but it will lose some credibility if it contradicts itself!

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😛😛it’s what happens when you read a diet of the daily mail and express....hundreds become thousands....and thousands become millions...just like benefit scroungers and  cheats, illegal immigrants..the list could go on....and exactly as Beast says...scapegoating is a very successful strategy in political terms...

You really haven't grasped when a boat or lorry is intercepted carrying these, it really really is the tip of the iceberg to what is getting through, and its been going on for years and years!

Regional data for new cases today in England

The 7 English regions 

• London +111 (0.4%) 25,734


• Midlands +232 (1.0%) 22,277


• North West +285 (1.3%) 22,148


• North East and Yorkshire +247 (1.2%) 21,021


• South East +187 (1.0%) 19,119


• East of England +220 (1.8%) 12,076


• South West +67 (1.0%) 6,974

The 10 local areas with the highest cases

1. Kent +60 (1.5%) 4,110


2. Lancashire +26 (0.8%) 3,119


3. Birmingham +15 (0.5%) 3,075


4. Hampshire +26 (0.9%) 3,005


5. Essex +27 (1.0%) 2,840


6. Surrey +20 (0.7%) 2,740


7. Hertfordshire +81 (3.2%) 2,569


8. Sheffield +14 (0.6%) 2,341


9. Cumbria +34 (1.6%) 2,096


10. Staffordshire +15 (0.8%) 1,949

The 10 local areas with the lowest cases

1. Rutland +1 (4.0%) 25


2. North East Lincolnshire +1 (0.7%) 139


3. Isle of Wight +3 (1.9%) 155


4. Torbay +1 (0.5%) 210


5. Bath and North East Somerset +1 (0.5%) 221


6. Bracknell Forest 228 - No change


7. Hartlepool 230 - No change


8. Windsor and Maidenhead +2 (0.7%) 272


9. Calderdale +3 (1.1%) 273


10. North Somerset +7 (2.4%) 294

UK data

• Number of tests - 96,878


• People tested - 63,339


• Positive - 3,896


• All settings deaths - 346

The confirmed rate for positive tests has fallen to 6.15%

Pillar 1 - 1,679
Pillar 2 - 2,217 

Total - 3,896

56.9% of today's confirmed cases come from key workers and over 65s

Italy

• 1,083 new cases 


• 194 new deaths 

 

I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. 

What would remaining in the EEA and keeping freedom of movement take from you? Nothing that's what, but from everyone else what you want takes away citizenship, rights and opportunities and protections. And you think we are the ones that should be quiet? 

Er, no? 

Exactly

Although in terms of cases per population Kent is a long way down the table, the rate of increase in cases has been high enough to propel it from lower in the absolute cases table to the top spot, then extend that lead. It does seem to be the case that there are various hotspots, Kent was one in mid April and now it looks like it's the northwest that's having a bit of a surge.

All this will complicate things when the lockdown is eased, as if there's a greater R value in some areas then the last thing you want to do is encourage more mixing. I don't envy the planners' task, that's for sure!

I mentioned before that Kent's rise has been due to the different situation between London and the rest of the country. Interesting that Kent hasn't been closer to London's trend though. Has there been any breakdown of Kent's figures to smaller parts of the county? There was a huge 367 cases the other day although that followed a week of very few cases so that day's figure was presumably actually the result of several days' testing.

I really don't think that comparing absolute numbers is very helpful though when local authorities are so different in size. Kent has 4110 cases which is over 10 times more than Redcar and Cleveland's 359 yet due to Kent's population being over 10 times larger both have 262 cases per 100,000 of population. 

Nope, it's a difficult task facing the planners. Several months down the line they will be criticised either for being too slow or for being too fast with loosening, quite possibly both at the same time. Get it wrong and you face a lot of economic damage being blamed on you or a lot of deaths. No real precedents, uncertain public reaction, etc. Number of cases here is about 15% of what is was at its peak but we are still seeing a few cases everyday, it is still out there, presumably there are (admittedly a small number of) asymptomatic people walking round every day.

 

You really haven't grasped when a boat or lorry is intercepted carrying these, it really really is the tip of the iceberg to what is getting through, and its been going on for years and years!

 

I agree ..it has been going on for years and will carry on doing so as long as people are desperate...there was a high level of illegal immigration in the 1930s...the Daily Mail famously ran a campaign against it..illegal Jewish immigrants...the rest is history...anyway. I don't want to detail the thread...by going back to Brexit...you won the argument..it is happening.. I am just taking a modicum of pleasure in watching Brexiteers dreams falling around their ears... although of course there is a much greater human tragedy unravelling before our eyes ...

 

What would remaining in the EEA and keeping freedom of movement take from you? Nothing that's what, but from everyone else what you want takes away citizenship, rights and opportunities and protections. And you think we are the ones that should be quiet? 

Do you know what, I can't be bothered, the majority voted, it's done, it's sorted, it's the past. Let's get this back on the virus topic.

Regarding the Guardian article, regardless of what sources may or may not have said, surely if the government says their decisions were based on 'the science', thereby deflecting criticism, then we should be able to see what 'the science' actually said and not have large sections redacted for apparently no reason?

 

Some EU countries doing rather better than the UK? This has just started. We are barely on the starting blocks with this. I wouldn't be backing any horses just yet! As to Brexit sunny uplands, yes we are leaving no transition 31 Dec. The further we are from the EU Titanic when it sinks, the better! Can't come quick enough! May was a weak and feable remainer, a puppet for the EU. Just thank god remainer MPs did not vote for her ludicrous deal. They got greedy, her deal was the EU's dirty work!

If the EU is the Titanic, perhaps the UK is an iceberg.

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The timeline of delay, inaction and failure.
https://appeasement.org/

Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.

Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.

By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.

Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.

He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.

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I have to say, I'm quite in favour of garden centres being allowed to open. As long as people honour the social distancing and managers enforce the one-way system which is in place in shops (and keep the cafes closed) I can't see any major issue. If people are stuck at home, at least it might allow some of them to do something more productive with their time rather than drinking and causing trouble.

I'd also suggest opening building and hardware stores too, for that matter.

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The timeline of delay, inaction and failure.
https://appeasement.org/

Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.

Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.

By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.

Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.

He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.

What a load of bx!