The new Nightingale Hospital opens on Wednesday, fully equipped including intensive care beds with ventilators.

That's a fantastic effort. The building may have been there but to equip it so quickly and sort out the staffing is astonishingly good.

That’s excellent news.  HMG have really got this planned and it’s amazing what we can do as a nation when we pull together.  

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Talking  about staffing I was not aware until a discussion yesterday with a hands on nhs nurse that the extra help coming from additional staff from within each hospital do have the option of opp out clauses. 

for example those that are dying or injections she was very concerned that these current roles had been stoped to try to fill this additional need with no safe relevant training and very limited experience to the new role.

 

The new Nightingale Hospital opens on Wednesday, fully equipped including intensive care beds with ventilators.

That's a fantastic effort. The building may have been there but to equip it so quickly and sort out the staffing is astonishingly good.

 

April 30 would be a fair date to end the lockdown. Deaths should be down to single figures by then

Sadly the festival beer will not keep till May so will have to be poured down the drain. What a tragedy

I would put the odds of a relaxation by the end of April at zero. Johnson said 12 weeks when the new measures were introduced last week.

If they want to be creative why not bottle it and sell it that way?

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Yes, I know! 🙂

I was making the same basic point. I find the never-ending negativity and moaning in here increasingly tedious.  It seems people would rather assume everyone is incompetent or, worse, setting out wilfully to mislead - for which there is no evidence at all.

 

 I agree with that , far too much moaning and even worse, political digs  in what is a completely un-precedented event in living memory. 

 

I would put the odds of a relaxation by the end of April at zero. Johnson said 12 weeks when the new measures were introduced last week.

If they want to be creative why not bottle it and sell it that way?

I wouldn't rule out some easing from late April. Vallance sounded a little more optimistic today IMO. It could of course change again tomorrow. 

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I agree Peter, the negativity is tiresome. It is easy to criticise. I personally have nothing but respect for those who are dealing wi this situation both north and south of the border even if I don’t agree with their politics. It is so easy to say “do x, y and z”. If that was the answer and it were that easy then people all over the world would be doing it. The situation is unprecedented in recent times and we are all learning from it, one way or another.

That’s not to say give those in power carte blanche, but a bit of chance in an almost impossible situation isn’t too much to ask for surely?

Certainly my view Michael 

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Almost everyone was saying that only China could do such a thing, but it sounds like we can too.

Yes, very good but I bet not a single bed will be needed. Boris has got this under control and we can manage with existing capacity.

Very impressed with the govt but they can no longer claim that "there is no money" anymore, though to be fair unlike May, Boris has never said this. This is not a Conservative govt. Its a populist nationalist govt like Trump, Orban and Salvini. Hard on immigration and crime, but also willing to splash the cash on public services and infrastructure. As a result the Labour party is now redundant

 

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The new Nightingale Hospital opens on Wednesday, fully equipped including intensive care beds with ventilators.

That's a fantastic effort. The building may have been there but to equip it so quickly and sort out the staffing is astonishingly good.

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I absolutely agree with this and am delighted to eat humble pie. I said the Chinese built new hospitals in a week and we couldn't. Well we basically have and it is a great achievement for British enterprise. And if somebody in the Government came up with the idea I'll give them credit as well! Maybe it's the way forward to sponsor the buildings like stadia. "The Emerates Hospital" !

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I would put the odds of a relaxation by the end of April at zero. Johnson said 12 weeks when the new measures were introduced last week.

If they want to be creative why not bottle it and sell it that way?

I agree with you , to have a relaxation in 4 weeks would be bizarre and very risky , now the end of May / start of June I can see something happening 

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I agree Peter, the negativity is tiresome. It is easy to criticise. I personally have nothing but respect for those who are dealing wi this situation both north and south of the border even if I don’t agree with their politics. It is so easy to say “do x, y and z”. If that was the answer and it were that easy then people all over the world would be doing it. The situation is unprecedented in recent times and we are all learning from it, one way or another.

That’s not to say give those in power carte blanche, but a bit of chance in an almost impossible situation isn’t too much to ask for surely?

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Having just seen the latest data for New York I was wondering what people here would do in a country with five time zones..... 

9am in New York.... but where are the figures for California......  🤔😉

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If they want to be creative why not bottle it and sell it that way?

They wouldn't be allowed. The empty barrels have to be returned. The staff can probably syphon off the ale into bottles for their own personal consumption just like they have taken the food home, the stuff that cant keep in the freezer

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Yes, I know! 🙂

I was making the same basic point. I find the never-ending negativity and moaning in here increasingly tedious.  It seems people would rather assume everyone is incompetent or, worse, setting out wilfully to mislead - for which there is no evidence at all.

 

  The constant negativity is doing our own mental state no good at all.  I personally think what has been done in such a short is absolutely fantastic!  I really don’t think we should complain about stats being wrong at this stage, when it’s what’s being done that counts. 

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Sir Patrick’s slides
3/ Hospital admissions going up roughly same amount each day suggesting we are not on a fast acceleration. 

Thanks for posting this, as it's probably the most important statistic. It shows hospital admissions in England to be doubling every 3-4 days, which is obviously still quite worrying. Let's hope this starts slowing down in 1-2 weeks.

 

I wouldn't rule out some easing from late April. Vallance sounded a little more optimistic today IMO. It could of course change again tomorrow. 

Maybe Brian, but I think it's a long way from 'more optimistic' to risking a further escalation in cases.  

If for no other reason we need to give the horrendously overworked and stressed NHS staff a chance to recover. I'd say they'd want at least a month with the pressure easing down significantly: they'd rightly get grief if they precipitated more pressure on the NHS that was avoidable.

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April 30 would be a fair date to end the lockdown. Deaths should be down to single figures by then

Sadly the festival beer will not keep till May so will have to be poured down the drain. What a tragedy

There is imo a good chance some of the restrictions could be lifted where social distancing is easy to do,by the 1st bank holiday in May but don`t expect the pubs,restaurants etc to be open for quite some time after that.Im chef at a hotel and have been furloughed and I doubt I will be working for the next 4 or 5 months.Thankfully the company are participating in the govt scheme.

 Maybe Brian, but I think it's a long way from 'more optimistic' to risking a further escalation in cases.  

If for no other reason we need to give the horrendously overworked and stressed NHS staff a chance to recover. I'd say they'd want at least a month with the pressure easing down significantly: they'd rightly get grief if they precipitated more pressure on the NHS that was avoidable.

I don't think there is any realistic chance of a relaxation of the lockdown by the end of April. Only widespread mass testing could change this.

The new Nightingale Hospital opens on Wednesday, fully equipped including intensive care beds with ventilators.

That's a fantastic effort. The building may have been there but to equip it so quickly and sort out the staffing is astonishingly good.

Excellent and sensibly positive point. 

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Whilst I have just praised the fantastic effort of the building of the new hospitals I don't agree with calling out half truths and incompetence as negativity. Used to see this at work. New American thing. You see people putting forward an idea that went wrong before and if you criticise it you are accused as being negative. There is nothing more positive than correcting previous errors and if we start this back slapping and self praising in fear of appearing un-patriotic we will end up like the US. Praise where praise is due and criticism where it is as well.

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Reading a bit more about the feedback the Chinese have given to the Italians: in Wuhan the authorities managed to break the intra-family chains of transmissions. They basically separated (forcibly or not) family members apart. This is easier said than done in countries like Italy or Spain, but it may have to come to this.

 

I would put the odds of a relaxation by the end of April at zero. Johnson said 12 weeks when the new measures were introduced last week.

If they want to be creative why not bottle it and sell it that way?

He did NOT say 12 weeks.That was for the over 70`s he said in his address last Monday 3 weeks and then reviewed.