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Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:42:42 PM

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


Extreme ICON to start the afternoon almost a full blown GH at 144 - ❄️🌲



Yes better than the 00z with a stronger Atlantic ridge helping matters 


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Argyle77
Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:59:10 PM
Usual backtrack from gfs coming up I think.

How much further west will the cold air get,and will it want to be so quick of getting rid of the cold air.
doctormog
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:06:05 PM
Actually the influence of the Greenland High is more extensive on the 12z op run than on previous runs by day 5. Who knows what will be shown for early December though!
Argyle77
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:38:19 PM
and gfs corrects itself west.A poor model,surprised so many swear by it,including the professionals.
Steve Murr
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:42:19 PM
Noted in the PM runs UKMO / GEM / GFS all release faster CAA into the UK at 96 - this could influence the type of PPN that crosses the UK Sat >> More Wintry.
ENS watch how many -10s can we scoop up for EA - The Operational was -8c with -10 a quick hop over to debilt -
Brian Gaze
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:56:15 PM

GFS 12z looks consistent with recent updates. A cold snap looks likely and some places could see sleet or snow. Milder conditions return quite quickly in early December. Not set in stone yet of course. Worth noting this is at odds with the Met O 30 dayer.



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Gandalf The White
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:58:37 PM

Originally Posted by: Argyle77 

and gfs corrects itself west.A poor model,surprised so many swear by it,including the professionals.


The reason is that there are four runs each day and a lot more information available - unless you use the US site mentioned by Darren, which has a huge amount of ECM data.


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doctormog
Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:59:31 PM
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_300_1.png 

Expect large uncertainty on the ensembles from around the 2nd of December once again.


Brian Gaze
Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:01:51 PM

Yes, the GFS 12z goes on to develop another blister high in the North Atlantic and we get another cold shot.


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David M Porter
Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:04:42 PM

The pattern shown on the GFS 12 op run to me looks rather reminiscent of what was commonplace during the 2017/18 winter until mid-Feb 2018; a cold blast from the N/NW, then milder for a time, then another cold shot from the north or north-west.


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Steve Murr
Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:30:17 PM

GFS mean now moving to phase 2 of longevity of this cold spell- @168 The alignment of the jet goes SE through the block which is crucial
NB PTB 3 & 4 for example.

I wonder if the mean is sub zero for the 3/4th yet for London !

doctormog
Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:47:58 PM

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


GFS mean now moving to phase 2 of longevity of this cold spell- @168 The alignment of the jet goes SE through the block which is crucial
NB PTB 3 & 4 for example.

I wonder if the mean is sub zero for the 3/4th yet for London !



Still chaos beyond 2nd Dec but before then very good agreement (this is for Aberdeen):


 



Ally Pally Snowman
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:20:29 PM

Definitely getting colder and more prolonged,  significant upgrade so far today.


 


 


 



 


 


 


 


 


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squish
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:31:43 PM
Not far off ICON

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_144_1.png 

Tantalising!

(Good evening all btw...been a long time 😉. )

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Gusty
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:33:44 PM

The weekend continues to trend colder and more settled.


Its very possible that Saturday's programmed disturbance across the south will trend further south leaving many cool and dry.


Wintry showers near eastern coasts if the uppers level out at circa -8c.


The strength of the Greenland High and its associated ridging will dictate the longevity of the cold snap.


A toppler followed by an atlantic flow is still favoured by day 10, however, these types of  SE'ward ridging Greeny blocks can be stubborn little fella's to break down once established and I'm not as confident of a warm up this evening compared with yesterday.


 


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Arcus
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:36:35 PM

ECM going for a GEFS P03



Interesting stuff. Much yet to resolve, but the trends are there.


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Steve Murr
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:37:01 PM
ECM 168 not far off the holy grail 2010 vertical advection.
Whether Idle
Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:53:59 PM

A thoroughly fascinating weekend of model watching has culminated in a superb early winter run from the ECM and the GEFS also indicate much of interest, not least the control.  Yesterday's charts showed that something was potentially brewing and todays runs have further amplified that potential, a cold snap now seems likely.


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DPower
Sunday, November 24, 2019 7:34:52 PM

Some nice synoptics for a couple of days before the topple ( why 2010 is being banded about I have not a clue) although at t168 range can be liable to change. Phase two of cold snap is certainly wishful thinking at this stage. Snow showers a possibility further north with wintry showers perhaps further south. Still nowt set in stone colder or milder options for next weekend still on the table.

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