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David M Porter
12 February 2019 00:37:08

David, if you were a colour you’d be beige 

personally I’m fully embracing this spell of weather. Today was only 10c but with the bright sunshine and noticeable warmth to the sun now when in it’s direct light it felt like spring. We are fast approaching my favourite time of year. The misery of winter is as far away as possible and spring and summer stretch into the distance as far as the eye can see. Sure we can still get some shite weather like the two foot of snow we had end of Feb last year, but it’s rare, and three weeks after that we were sat outside in the warm sunshine enjoying a drink. Fantastic times approaching. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Funny you should say that Matty as I have spent the last five-and-a-half years driving a beige car, a 2008 Skoda Octavia estate to be exact!

Good to see you back on here btw. You have been missed!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

Maunder Minimum
12 February 2019 06:41:01
I am waiting for the models to flip to cold, but no sign of that yet. However, given that EC46 has been 100% wrong all winter, the fact that it has flipped recently to mild, gives me great hope of a freezing end to Feb. :-)


New world order coming.
JACKO4EVER
12 February 2019 07:23:08
Another Cobra “Beige Run” overnight,,,,
Gavin D
12 February 2019 08:49:08

The 5-day max high is 10c in southern Scotland & 13c in the south given GFS has a tendency to under do temps at times and the potential Foehn effect isolated mid teens highs still can't be ruled out

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Very little rain over the 5-days as you'd expect with high pressure dominating

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tallyho_83
12 February 2019 10:55:30

I am waiting for the models to flip to cold, but no sign of that yet. However, given that EC46 has been 100% wrong all winter, the fact that it has flipped recently to mild, gives me great hope of a freezing end to Feb. :-)

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I have virtually given up now. It's mid Feb and I can't believe i am saying this so early.

There 00z ensembles for Amsterdam here:

There are a few that go down to -10c @850hpa with a couple outliers going well below to -18c @850hpa

The reason I look at this is that if any easterly does occur (Seeing as easterlies are more common in Feb as we all know!) Then Amsterdam will be the first to feel the effects of one.

 Not well supported but can't be ignored, and will the 06z run show more colder blocked ensembles?

The last chance this winter?

p5

p6:

 

p19:

 


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AJ*
  • AJ*
  • Advanced Member
12 February 2019 12:46:35

...

After 17 years of model watching and analysis it is clear that beyond 10-14 days things have not evolved and accuracy has not improved.

The society we live in demands more information, early planning, risk mitigation. There is an expectancy that the professionals should know whats happening in 3 months time. It feels to me as if the Met Office are simply being swept along with all of this..the sooner they admit the extreme limitations of long range forecasting the better.

A good place to start stripping out are the 16-30 dayers IMO. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

That gets a definite from me.  In physical/mathematical terms the weather is a chaotic system, so no matter what resources of observation or computing power are dedicated to predicting a future state, the reliable limit (notwithstanding the hints of the January cold spell indicated by GEFS some way ahead - as repeatedly commented on by Doc) is around 5-6 days, with a fair probability up to 10-15 days. (Or sometimes not.)  Unfortunately, in our current society, presenting people with the facts of reality can sometimes lead to them getting upset.


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Tonbridge, 40m (131ft) asl

TomC
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12 February 2019 13:00:14

 

That gets a definite from me.  In physical/mathematical terms the weather is a chaotic system, so no matter what resources of observation or computing power are dedicated to predicting a future state, the reliable limit (notwithstanding the hints of the January cold spell indicated by GEFS some way ahead - as repeatedly commented on by Doc) is around 5-6 days, with a fair probability up to 10-15 days. (Or sometimes not.)  Unfortunately, in our current society, presenting people with the facts of reality can sometimes lead to them getting upset.

Originally Posted by: AJ* 

Yes but the weather is chaotic not random, this means that sometimes it is in a state that is more predictable than others

 

Notty
12 February 2019 14:08:43

This winter has been a definite eye opener for me. I look forward to the chase for extreme weather all year around and the various long term “model outlooks” this winter have been red herrings and annoying.

What has impressed me though is the way the models have picked up on “butterflies” I.e. small disturbances in the various flows that have allowed them to pretty accurately forecast low pressure areas a few days in advance. I have no doubt that these have been very useful and in my view it is fantastic that these can be modelled to any degree at all.

My focus will definitely be on the sub 120 forecasts from now on.


Notty

Pontypool, 132m asl

sizzle
12 February 2019 15:09:27

https://www.gavsweathervids.com/ec-30-day-month-ahead-forecasts.php  Exceptionally mild weather taking us into March 

till next winter guys  2019/2020/ 10th year anniversary of the 2009/2010 deep freeze.... this winter has been emotional and disappointing

Maunder Minimum
12 February 2019 15:30:34

 

I have virtually given up now. It's mid Feb and I can't believe i am saying this so early.

There 00z ensembles for Amsterdam here:

There are a few that go down to -10c @850hpa with a couple outliers going well below to -18c @850hpa

The reason I look at this is that if any easterly does occur (Seeing as easterlies are more common in Feb as we all know!) Then Amsterdam will be the first to feel the effects of one.

 

 Not well supported but can't be ignored, and will the 06z run show more colder blocked ensembles?

The last chance this winter?

p5

p6:

p19:

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Literally anything could happen from a week ahead, which is the whole point. Today is 12th Feb, so it is entirely feasible that Europe will go into the freezer from 20th Feb, regardless of what the models may be showing that far ahead at the moment. Those Cold members could be onto something - we will find out as time moves on.

 


New world order coming.
nsrobins
12 February 2019 16:48:44
I wouldn’t give up on this winter just yet 😉
Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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David M Porter
12 February 2019 17:39:56

I wouldn’t give up on this winter just yet 😉

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Me neither.

It's worth remembering that the meteorogical spring does not begin until a fortnight on Friday, and everyone will remember the scenes the greeted many parts of the country on March 1st last year. For the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting a repeat of last year is likely this time, but as others said last night it would be unwise for anyone to be sure than the current mild weather will last uninterrupted until the end of Feb and start of March.

What we can be fairly sure of just now is that the current mild spell looks like lasting until early next week when it could turn more unsettled for a time. Beyond that it guesswork atm.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

tallyho_83
12 February 2019 17:43:08

Seeing as there is nothing to discuss - which is usually the case this winter i just wanted to share the FI in P17:


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Whether Idle
12 February 2019 18:17:42

Deep FI (LOL) day 9 CMA develops an Icelandic High with ridge to Scandi:


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
12 February 2019 18:21:53

Game on chaps 

CMA 240


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briggsy6
12 February 2019 18:35:02

What is the famous weather folklore about March coming in like a lion and out like a lamb? So still time for one more cold snap maybe yet (perhaps wtith transient snow) before the proper warm stuff arrives.


Location: Uxbridge
Whether Idle
12 February 2019 18:38:35

Game on chaps 

CMA 240

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

I note the slightest hint of sarcasm....

With the EC like this at 168, the CMA remains a pipedream, and we could be looking at  a February in the 6c + category:


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
marco 79
12 February 2019 19:13:14
12z GEFS = Heating down/Grass cutting/Spring


Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
tallyho_83
12 February 2019 19:21:19

Game on chaps 

CMA 240

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Come on? Is it likely?


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)


Sean Moon

Magical Moon

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springsunshine
12 February 2019 19:50:38

David, if you were a colour you’d be beige 

personally I’m fully embracing this spell of weather. Today was only 10c but with the bright sunshine and noticeable warmth to the sun now when in it’s direct light it felt like spring. We are fast approaching my favourite time of year. The misery of winter is as far away as possible and spring and summer stretch into the distance as far as the eye can see. Sure we can still get some shite weather like the two foot of snow we had end of Feb last year, but it’s rare, and three weeks after that we were sat outside in the warm sunshine enjoying a drink. Fantastic times approaching. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

My feelings too,the days are getting longer the sun is getting stronger,all to look forward too from now on.

sunny coast
12 February 2019 20:27:35
i think we all look forward to longer days and more useable weather.and some spring warmth . But looked what happened in for example 2012 after a wonderful March !!! Or 2007 after a wonderful april etc etc
Gavin D
12 February 2019 20:32:15

UKMO extended keeps the mild air coming with heavy rain moving into the north drier further south

 

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Chunky Pea
12 February 2019 20:56:26

What is the famous weather folklore about March coming in like a lion and out like a lamb? So still time for one more cold snap maybe yet (perhaps wtith transient snow) before the proper warm stuff arrives.

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

March last year came in not so much as a lion, but more a snow leopard. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Gavin D
12 February 2019 20:57:52

The ECM op has good support tonight on the London mean. Quite remarkable really just how close it is for the full 10-days

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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
13 February 2019 00:29:51

Based on the ECMWF, UKMO, GFS and the ICON et all.

At 120 and 144hrs ahead it is a two day change back to wet and chilly as well as very windy conditions over the UK, but that should then give way to further dry fine and High pressure controlled weather across the UK.

And right now it is looking very mild, with warm sunny spells this week including the upcoming Saturday etc etc, the UK West NW Europe High Azores Sceuro High- looks quite a role player in our weather outlook.

This year 2019- there should likely be plenty of very dry settled very warm hot and sunny weather.

As for hoping to get any much needed cold and snowy snaps this upcoming Spring- that will be very hard to develop- our busy meandering PFJ will have enough buffers to prevent any proper weather improvements and little if any chances of bringing colder air towards our NW Europe shores!!!.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

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