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Gavin D
11 January 2019 09:37:16

It looks like Thursday will be the start of the colder feel in the south the London ECM graph goes from around 8c at noon on Wednesday to around 4.5c at noon on Thursday

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Saint Snow
11 January 2019 09:37:17

We’ll no doubt miss the lions share of anything wintry yet again Saint, the curse  of living in the NW I’m afraid. Still we can’t half moan when it goes t*ts up.😁

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

 

I think you're in a better chance position that I.

With lows sliding NW-SE, there's going to be milder sectors to the west of the centres; it's a question of how far east across the UK the lows track. At present I fear MBY is generally going to be just too far west. I'm envisioning a track roughly running from Barrow to Manchester to Nottingham to Cambridge to Colchester. East of that with a much better chance, especially the further north you are. That'd put you (and Scotland, NE England, most of Cumbria and Yorks, Lincs) in prime territory. 

But then, much can and will change between now and then - for the better OR for the worst.


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marting
11 January 2019 09:44:56
Quite interesting that no one talking about the growing numbers of easterlies showing up in the Ens. I know all out in FI, but growing numbers each of last two days. Something to keep an eye on. Trends.

Before then plenty of interest in charts.

Martin


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ballamar
11 January 2019 09:48:36

Quite interesting that no one talking about the growing numbers of easterlies showing up in the Ens. I know all out in FI, but growing numbers each of last two days. Something to keep an eye on. Trends.
Before then plenty of interest in charts.
Martin

Originally Posted by: marting 

 

unless a stonker of an Easterly shows up on the op run will not be considered by most. Think this is our most likely route to sustained cold - all other snowfalls a bonus. ECM shows to me how an E/NE could well eventually set in

fairweather
11 January 2019 09:49:43

 

Well those are cold ensembles but the actual synoptics are messy.

Snow could easily occur in the south on frontal boundaries and other features but it's not ideal for the south as it's a very messy picture.

The north could do well though, especially at height.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Yes, I think that is about right as things stand. Snow in the south used to be more common from these type of synoptics but that one degree of warming makes all the difference although even in the sixties and seventies would still tend to be a few hours of heavy snow turning to rain and slush. In fact is anyone old enough to remember slush? Six inches of snow followed by grey misty thaw leaving a rust brown mess. I wonder if a lot of that colouration was caused by air pollution back in the day.


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DickyBill
11 January 2019 09:59:51
I'm old enough! I always thought it was because the roads used to be spread with a particularly nasty brown rock salt.


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Bertwhistle
11 January 2019 10:25:33

GFSP 00z looking very progressive

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx?run=00&charthour=312&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na-region&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM

My views on the outlook remain unchanged. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The GFSP does indulge that sinking low, bringing an easterly; sadly the HP that follows it eases out the very cold 850s but the uppers generally continue to look marginally cold, and it's often the margins that bring the wintry precipitation.


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Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 10:26:47

06z is yet again has a different evolution up to 189hrs.

This becoming really painful


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Gary L
11 January 2019 10:28:42

GFSP 00z looking very progressive. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfsp.aspx?run=00&charthour=312&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na-region&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM

My views on the outlook remain unchanged. 

Wrt the GEFS one point to remember is those milder "bumps" usually appear at relatively short notice as the runs begin to phase with each other. I'm still not seeing enough big dippers or trenchers to think we're heading into a freeze style set-up. Cold/er incursions continue to look likely but the Azores high hasn't left the game and the much touted Scandi high hasn't yet turned up. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

No big freeze up yet, but looks quite snowy to me with a bit of altitude. ECM ENS put my area at freezing or below (mean ENS 2m t) from ~ 22nd and close to it from 20th.

I wouldn't be too excited yet if I was lowland UK though.

Rob K
11 January 2019 10:33:21

06z is yet again has a different evolution up to 189hrs.

This becoming really painful

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Another GFS classic mega-low in the Atlantic. I tend to switch off once those appear as it seems to be what the model does when it's all out of ideas.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 10:34:36

At 213hrs GFS 06z attempting to build something  over scandy. But the jet looks too strong.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_216_1.png

 


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

kmoorman
11 January 2019 10:38:16

The 6Z Op is quite different from the 0Z even as early as 156-162 hours, with low far less of a slider, which introduces a full warm sector over the UK.  The later development is completely different as well, as it puts us back into mobile NW winds. 


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JACKO4EVER
11 January 2019 10:39:30

 

No big freeze up yet, but looks quite snowy to me with a bit of altitude. ECM ENS put my area at freezing or below (mean ENS 2m t) from ~ 22nd and close to it from 20th.

I wouldn't be too excited yet if I was lowland UK though.

Originally Posted by: Gary L 

yes a real messy picture. It might be the case that the spell could be a classic event for the north whereas further south elevation will be required. It’s a very fluid situation, though temperatures do look like falling at the back end of next week countrywide. Cold wet and miserable in one place yet just a few miles away with elevation and it’s a winter wonderland.

central Europe in the meantime looks the place to be- some very heavy snowfall on the cards. The Alps look close to being in a state of emergency if some of those runs come off 

Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 10:39:31

Interesting for some. This does offer some potential.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_231_2.png

 


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Rob K
11 January 2019 10:39:59
It's really beginning to look as if the SSW-induced split in the vortex is going to fall in just about the worst place for us, with HP taking up residence over the other side of the pole and shifting the larger part of the split PV into Canada and Greenland. And, looking at the NH view and running through the frames, the whole setup is still rotating west to east. I think the best we can hope for from that is that the PV sinks far enough SE to give even the south of the country some interest from the north.

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2019011106/gfsnh-0-228.png?6 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 10:40:27

JFF - Look at temp gradient esp for east coast of N. America at night many states from Florida to Maine, Mass to even Nova Scotia seeing nighttime temps of 12c or so and +5 to +10c uppers:

USA hasn't had much if any snow either esp NYC in comparison to last year. Not one blizzard or nor easter so far! They had more snow back in November. We are not the only one suffering here in the UK .

Back to us - the warmer sector is being squeezed!

 


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Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 10:45:51

In almost 48hrs we go from this:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_234_2.png

to this

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_288_2.png


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

Rob K
11 January 2019 10:46:03

USA hasn't had much if any snow either esp NYC in comparison to last year. Not one blizzard or nor easter so far! They had more snow back in November.

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

That will all change if GFS is right, as the PV moves eastwards. The 850s in New York City plunge from +6C at 216hrs to -20C a day later at 240hrs.

 

Meanwhile for us the GFS sets up a transient easterly as the high pressure topples over the UK. Cold air is already in place so even a short easterly could deliver there.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 10:47:55

Met Office seasonal ENSEMBLE Mean maps have been updated: This corresponds with the CFSv2'S OUTLOOK For a blocked Feb too as well.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/ens-mean

Today the Met Office Glosea 5 has been updated - take a look at this:

Look at all that northern Blocking? - My guess is that this Azores HP will retrogress NW wards and center it'self over Greenland.

Very strong signal for northern blocking now!! - Sorry if this should be in the Media Trend but it's just been released so,,,!? Wanted to share.

Look at Pressure charts:

Perhaps as good as it get's if you want a cold and snowy Feb?

 


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Rob K
11 January 2019 10:49:39

Met Office seasonal been updated - take a look at this:

Look at all that northern Blocking? - My guess is that this Azores HP will retrogress NW wards and center it'self over Greenland.

Very strong signal for northern blocking now!! - Sorry if this should be in the Media Trend but it's just been released so,,,!? Wanted to share.

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Another miserable spring in store, then?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 10:52:30

Inter run consistency with GFS is appalling at the moment.

But 06z was interesting and fund from 200hrs onwards


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

tallyho_83
11 January 2019 10:54:27

 

Another miserable spring in store, then?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Well look at 3-5 months pressure charts and the northern blocking reduces thus most of the blocking will occur in Feb this means?

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/ens-mean

 


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Rob K
11 January 2019 10:54:49
Interesting end to the 6Z GFS with high pressure over Scandi and a -20C cold pool, with low pressure over the Med. If that sort of chart started making its way into the reliable then I would start to get interested.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 10:58:42

Just love this:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/glob-seas-prob

Temps @ 850 Hpa going 0.5c below average:

 

Wish this could be broken down into month by month so at least we would know when the main blocking' and cold is? Hope it's not April... but oh well! It's blocked!


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kmoorman
11 January 2019 10:58:49

This shows how the persistence of the Azores High and a lack of Northern blocking can reduce the longevity of any cold conditions.  This looks very promising, and would of course, bring cold and snow to many. However, instead of building, the high then drains away into the Azores High and the pattern reverts to the default.


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