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Brian Gaze
09 January 2019 22:03:24

 

The T+240 chart gives 500-1,000 hPa thickness values of around 525 dam for London down to 520 for the North of Scotland. I'd have thought they were pretty impressive for a west to north-westerly flow?

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

I wouldn't be expecting snow from that down here TBH:


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JACKO4EVER
09 January 2019 22:11:50

By day 15...

It’s always at the end of the rainbow. As Ian B says, “the train is coming when you can see the train!”

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

as ever jam tomorrow. In the meantime we have pleasure of looking forward to some wintry showers if we are lucky. All standard fayre I suppose for the UK winter model watcher. 

doctormog
09 January 2019 22:13:27
In case people are overlooking the facts and evidence, there has been no change in the timescales shown by the models since New Year.
nsrobins
09 January 2019 22:22:54

In case people are overlooking the facts and evidence, there has been no change in the timescales shown by the models since New Year.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You can shout it from the highest steeple, but some will still refuse to hear it.


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Joe Bloggs
09 January 2019 22:28:38

Definitely slider potential here. 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_186_1.png

 

White Meadows
09 January 2019 22:39:35

 

You can shout it from the highest steeple, but some will still refuse to hear it.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

🤣🤣🤣

doctormog
09 January 2019 22:43:08
On a different note the GFS 18z op seems to have gone off on one in the 8-10 day period. One option in a general pattern.
Steve Murr
09 January 2019 22:43:24
GFS now alligned to the slower UKMO solution, causing the blocking to steer the jet axis on a very NW > SE axis, exactly what some of us was commenting on last night...

The 18z solution would be the best case for cold + snow potential with that area of deep cold creeping south out of the pole...

Karl Guille
09 January 2019 22:43:56

A slightly quicker evolution to cold on the 18z, at least for the north!

 


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Russwirral
09 January 2019 22:48:17
Agree with the comments on the 18z.... defo upgrade / pub run. But not stupidly so. Still quite tame all things considered
Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 22:49:25

 

I wouldn't be expecting snow from that down here TBH:

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 

I was suggesting the likelihood of wintriness, particularly with elevation; certainly not lowland snow in southern Britain. That opens up the potential for something wintry in the Chilterns, for example.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Karl Guille
09 January 2019 22:51:07

Certainly a colder Op on the 18z, be interesting to see where this sits in the ensemble suite!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Russwirral
09 January 2019 22:52:24

What a weird looking hp to the north of us. Not a scandi or GH. But i think moreover a signal that the atlantic is going quite. Less LPs developing out west.

 

 

Edit... this could go full beast ... alot more energy to the south and east than to the west.... will the HP relocate to the north....

 

This cud we be a stella finish


Karl Guille
09 January 2019 23:17:03

Some support for the Op on the 18z and the Control is even colder on the short ensembles together with a couple of even colder runs!

Diagramme GEFS


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Quantum
09 January 2019 23:39:53

One thing to keep in mind is how close the deep cold actually is.

Even in the most potent of northerlies do you rarely see the 0C isotherm so far south over the sea. Its at the latitude of the Fareo and close to shetland. The cold air in the atlantic arctic is not forecast to go anywhere fast. Although, currently, no cold spell is anticipated were there to be a slight shift we could be looking at a very potent northerly indeed.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Gandalf The White
09 January 2019 23:52:07

The signal for increasingly cold weather grows stronger on the ECM 12z ensemble:

Now moving into the more reliable timeframe - and the scatter has decreased markedly in the last 24 hours.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



tallyho_83
10 January 2019 00:33:08

Come back to see any signs of a block in FI run on 18z ...? nope:LP over Greenland! The GFS Op is so inconsistent! 

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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tallyho_83
10 January 2019 00:38:30

I don't want to sound pessimistic for cold and snow but i am really surprised to see these charts/set ups cropping up during the last week of Jan 25th):

 

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Shropshire
10 January 2019 06:10:21

Poor runs this morning, and the GFS in FI goes on to really strengthen the PV again.


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Retron
10 January 2019 06:21:38
Blimey - the parallel GFS this morning is the snowiest run this winter [for England, at least], dumping 4 to 6 inches over most of the country. An astonishing run.

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0&runpara=1 


Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
10 January 2019 06:28:54
Yes, the GFSP is once again very interesting and the ensemble data is consistent with the previous sets. No change this morning so far and in the early stages the ECM looks just fine too - hopefully the rest of the run will be encouraging towards the latter stages.
Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 06:36:35

Blimey - the parallel GFS this morning is the snowiest run this winter [for England, at least], dumping 4 to 6 inches over most of the country. An astonishing run.

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0&runpara=1


Originally Posted by: Retron 

 

Truly stunning run best of the winter.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
10 January 2019 06:42:36

I was suggesting the likelihood of wintriness, particularly with elevation; certainly not lowland snow in southern Britain. That opens up the potential for something wintry in the Chilterns, for example.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

I could lose four fingers and a thumb and still count the number of days like that I've experienced in the Chilterns on one hand. A "cold" west / northwesterly in these parts means 8C and sunny spells with not a radar blob in the vicinity.  


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 06:46:11

 

Not much deep cold but plenty of snow rows

 

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/ensemble-forecast.aspx?location=London

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
10 January 2019 06:47:43

GEFS 00z in its later stages has more of a twelve bore look to it than yesterday's 12z update. It could be just be background noise or we could be seeing a trend towards more mixed conditions during the last third of the month. The latter would fit in with the recent updates from Exeter and the idea of a fairly mobile but at times cold pattern. My view hasn't change significantly in the last 24 hours - colder with the best chance of significant snow in the north. Roll the dice in the south and you need a 5 or 6 from this.   

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/ensemble-forecast.aspx?location=London

 


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