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Joe Bloggs
30 December 2018 12:59:19

Plenty of very cold options amongst FI in the 06z GEFS.

One or two showing an easterly influence but the majority showing blocking in Greenland/mid Atlantic. 

marco 79
30 December 2018 13:10:57

[quote=Joe Bloggs;1066318]

Plenty of very cold options amongst FI in the 06z GEFS.

One or two showing an easterly influence but the majority showing blocking in Greenland/mid Atlantic.

 

 

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SJV
30 December 2018 13:14:48

Plenty of very cold options amongst FI in the 06z GEFS.

One or two showing an easterly influence but the majority showing blocking in Greenland/mid Atlantic. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Yes an encouraging set from 06Z GEFS. Good to see the mean trend below average by mid-January 

Gandalf The White
30 December 2018 13:39:51

ECM 00z ensemble suite for London

 

The milder cluster that was showing for the early days of the New Year has gone. That was the cluster in which the GFS Op had been sitting. So, good agreement now on progressively colder conditions until 5th. That's the point at which a less cold cluster develops. From Day 9 one cluster offering cold/very cold and another offering average temperatures are in reasonable balance: I think we will need to wait to see which evolution becomes more likely over the coming few days.


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Chunky Pea
30 December 2018 14:01:45

 

That Meto/BBC outlook will soon change if the ECM holds its position. The Meto give little if any credence to the GFS and why would they when the ECM and their own model consistently outperform it 

Originally Posted by: Broadmayne Blizzard 

I'm not sure that is true. If you watch the UK Met Office forecasts on YouTube, and especially the ones that go out to 10 days, then you'll see that they often do consider the GFS output, if just to weigh it against their more commonly used medium/long range models. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

picturesareme
30 December 2018 14:12:11

ECM 00z ensemble suite for London

 

The milder cluster that was showing for the early days of the New Year has gone. That was the cluster in which the GFS Op had been sitting. So, good agreement now on progressively colder conditions until 5th. That's the point at which a less cold cluster develops. From Day 9 one cluster offering cold/very cold and another offering average temperatures are in reasonable balance: I think we will need to wait to see which evolution becomes more likely over the coming few days.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

 

From 10th outwards there are some very cold ones showing with sub zero day max and very cold night..

Still though they're a minority at this stage ;)

tallyho_83
30 December 2018 14:53:30

GFSP offering a buy 1 get 1 free on pizza this morning. Not sure how long the offer will be valid.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Doc told me not to use the term Pizza as it should be warm sector but - there is so much 'warm sector' occurring this December!


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doctormog
30 December 2018 14:58:15

 

Doc told me not to use the term Pizza as it should be warm sector but - there is so much 'warm sector' occurring this December!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Its as pointless as calling this chart from the GFS 06z op run a slice of cold pizza  (which probably will not be offer for that long either).

 

In isolation these charts have more to do with cherries than pizza.


marco 79
30 December 2018 15:32:19

Depends on which one Dominoes......sorry!!! ...dominates as we head into Jan...😏....(been reading to many Christmas cracker jokes)..


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Steve Murr
30 December 2018 16:07:22
So Ive copied the link below for everyone to 'hopefully' understand why the GFS & its last weeks worth of zonal nonsence wasnt going to happen V the Euros.

No hyperbole - just reality.

https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/91032-hunt-for-cold-model-discussion-heading-into-christmas/?page=163&tab=comments#comment-3948994 

David M Porter
30 December 2018 16:39:51

It could well be that it still does end up turning unsettled at some point after the first week in January. However, on the basis of the trend we have seen from the last few ECM op runs and some GFS runs too, it seems that this is getting pushed further back.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Retron
30 December 2018 17:15:28
As with yesterday's 12z, the GFS op run this afternoon offers up a high-pressure fest down here... with pressure only falling below 1030hPa at T+384. Even the ensemble means, out to T+192 at present, have a >1035hPa ridge over the SE of the UK.

GEM concurs, as does MetO. The ICON breaks the run by having a weak (very weak, in fact) trough crossing the UK in just over a week's time.


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Bertwhistle
30 December 2018 17:27:00

So Ive copied the link below for everyone to 'hopefully' understand why the GFS & its last weeks worth of zonal nonsence wasnt going to happen V the Euros.

No hyperbole - just reality.

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

">https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/91032-hunt-for-cold-model-discussion-heading-into-christmas/?page=163&tab=comments#comment-3948994

I've just read your report via that link; thanks.

Reassuring that the lower res and inability to pick up signals at high strat. will make early GFS outlooks less reliable. 

But as you say, now that the timeframe is more embracing of the GFS view, why is there such variation in its runs at 6-hourly intervals? Surely now that the overriding message has hit home (incl. split PV) there should be some consistency between runs?


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JACKO4EVER
30 December 2018 17:38:30
Thanks Mr Murr a very interesting read.
fairweather
30 December 2018 17:55:12

So Ive copied the link below for everyone to 'hopefully' understand why the GFS & its last weeks worth of zonal nonsence wasnt going to happen V the Euros.

No hyperbole - just reality.

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

">https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/91032-hunt-for-cold-model-discussion-heading-into-christmas/?page=163&tab=comments#comment-3948994

It's just a shame all those dumb meteorologists and data analysts at NCEP hadn't figured all that and misled us. 


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Brian Gaze
30 December 2018 18:27:28

ICON 12z EUNEST shows the snow getting a long way south late this week with accumulation in southern Italy and Greece.  


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Brian Gaze
30 December 2018 18:36:26

Quite a big contrast in 850s across the UK, +8C in western Wales dropping to -2C in the south east and East Anglia.


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doctormog
30 December 2018 18:42:54

Quite a big contrast in 850s across the UK, +8C in western Wales dropping to -2C in the south east and East Anglia.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Which would be colder at ground level?


tallyho_83
30 December 2018 18:43:31

ICON 12z EUNEST shows the snow getting a long way south late this week with accumulation in southern Italy and Greece.  

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

My friends are heading to Naples tomorrow for a week - After 13c here and 11c by night I doubt they would be happy to go to what they thought was warmer sunnier place by beach, BUT only to be greeted by snow and 0c or +2c by daytime in the Med!! That will be a temp /weather shock for them! 

 


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30 December 2018 18:52:10
ECM at 216 seems to be backing down over height raises to the north:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_216_1.png 


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Brian Gaze
30 December 2018 18:52:42

 

Which would be colder at ground level?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Not much in it I would think.


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Shropshire
30 December 2018 18:59:48

The ECM maintains the mid-latitude blocking. Of course Jan 9th would be too soon to see any SSW reponse, if there is any.

As for snow in the Med, something we have become all too accustomed to seeing over the last 20 years. 


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Arcus
30 December 2018 19:02:42
ECM 12z at odds with the MetO's return to unsettled conditions next week. Blocking remains in force, and no sign of zonality once again.
Ben,

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JACKO4EVER
30 December 2018 19:09:12
ECM at it again with some substantial blocking, but easing back on any height rises to the north. It looks like becoming a dry start to 2019 with a patchy frost should skies clear. Thereafter I suspect less in the way of wintery potential. All in all quite boring
David M Porter
30 December 2018 19:19:44

ECM 12z at odds with the MetO's return to unsettled conditions next week. Blocking remains in force, and no sign of zonality once again.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

My thoughts are that if GFS fully joins ECM in showing the HP hanging about for longer, and there are now some signs that it is doing this, then I think it fairly likely that the MetO will alter their thoughts at some point. I know that ECM is not infallable any more than any other model is, but it has been, if nothing else, consistent in its op runs over the last couple of days or two. Of course, it could be that it changes its mind and goes for a more unsettled scenario as GFS was doing, but nothing is a given.


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