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Phil G
17 December 2018 19:53:24
Gusty
17 December 2018 20:12:49

Fingers crossed the high pressure settles over the UK for the week between Christmas and New Year. The injection of colder air being signalled from the Christmas Eve cold front should ensure the HP cell starts clear and cold before it fogs up. A period of calm, frosty and foggy weather was often a pre-cursor to a significant cold spell back in the 80's. 


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nsrobins
17 December 2018 23:39:02
No input from the evening runs I see.

Something will click in the cyber circuitry in the next few days that will bring the buzz back to this thread.


Neil

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ballamar
17 December 2018 23:40:13

No input from the evening runs I see.
Something will click in the cyber circuitry in the next few days that will bring the buzz back to this thread.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

 

runs usually look better when less data over Xmas 

Rob K
17 December 2018 23:46:32

No input from the evening runs I see.
Something will click in the cyber circuitry in the next few days that will bring the buzz back to this thread.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

People still seem to be hanging their hopes on a mythical SSW. Goodness knows where that idea came from, only a few years ago you never even heard the phrase, now it has suddenly become the holy grail. Colour me thoroughly unconvinced. Getting cold weather in Britain is not as simple as that.


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Gandalf The White
17 December 2018 23:58:02

 

 

runs usually look better when less data over Xmas 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

It's the only time most people are concerned about reports from aircraft.

I've never understood why this equation:  

less data = blocked and cold for the UK

 

should hold true. 

 

Anyway, tonight's output still supports a cool to cold Christmas for many and some settled weather beyond.


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 December 2018 05:18:20
Erm. Maybe it’s too early. But that 0z runn is strange. Christmas now radically different with a major push of 850s from the south. But the high just start to looks like it wants to move around.

I have sneaky suspicion we are going to see somewhat more spread on the ensembles this morning


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ballamar
18 December 2018 05:31:03
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU00_144_1.png 

Next chart could be interesting or necessarily Xmas day but what happening over Siberia

Brian Gaze
18 December 2018 06:20:37

GEFS trending drier and warmer. An absolute horror show from a personal point of view. 


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Gusty
18 December 2018 06:38:54

GEFS trending drier and warmer. An absolute horror show from a personal point of view. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Drier yes,

Warmer ? No Brian. 

A clear cooling trend post Christmas at the surface. Maxes of 6s and 7s after early frosts. Seasonal if you ask me.

Never use 850Hpa's as a guide when a winter anticyclone is around. 

No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.

 


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White Meadows
18 December 2018 07:02:07

 

It's the only time most people are concerned about reports from aircraft.

I've never understood why this equation:  

less data = blocked and cold for the UK

 

should hold true. 

 

Anyway, tonight's output still supports a cool to cold Christmas for many and some settled weather beyond.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Quite right Peter. Less data could mean more blocked/ less blocked more zonal or absolutely any possible tendency which is what makes the whole basis taking with a massive pinch of salt. 

In the mean time, the pre new year cold spell some were sure about looks less likely than ever:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

 

doctormog
18 December 2018 07:10:25

 

Drier yes,

Warmer ? No Brian. 

A clear cooling trend post Christmas at the surface. Maxes of 6s and 7s after early frosts. Seasonal if you ask me.

Never use 850Hpa's as a guide when a winter anticyclone is around. 

 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


ballamar
18 December 2018 07:27:26

 

Drier yes,

Warmer ? No Brian. 

A clear cooling trend post Christmas at the surface. Maxes of 6s and 7s after early frosts. Seasonal if you ask me.

Never use 850Hpa's as a guide when a winter anticyclone is around. 

No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.

 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

 

a tiny number of cold runs appearing after Xmas day, could be the start of some colder more blocked runs appearing.

Brian Gaze
18 December 2018 08:14:55

 

Drier yes,

Warmer ? No Brian. 

A clear cooling trend post Christmas at the surface. Maxes of 6s and 7s after early frosts. Seasonal if you ask me.

Never use 850Hpa's as a guide when a winter anticyclone is around. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Agree to an extent but it's a fine line and the 2m stamps don't look cold to me.


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Whiteout
18 December 2018 08:57:29

Wow, the zonal wind forecast posted on NW looks impressive, with 2 weeks to go until 2019 I am looking for some tasty FI charts to start appearing this week.


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Gary L
18 December 2018 09:31:53

Wow, the zonal wind forecast posted on NW looks impressive, with 2 weeks to go until 2019 I am looking for some tasty FI charts to start appearing this week.

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 

Yes, the output isn't great this morning but with the SSW anticipated and the medium range from the met office the possibility of things getting more interesting over the next week or so is definitely there!

tallyho_83
18 December 2018 09:32:37

Wow, the zonal wind forecast posted on NW looks impressive, with 2 weeks to go until 2019 I am looking for some tasty FI charts to start appearing this week.

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 

Me too and it's another wet and windy mild day here!

on this note - has anyone notice the strat @ 10hpa - this has stopped updating since Monday 06z...? Brian?

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx

 


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Brian Gaze
18 December 2018 09:55:43

 

Me too and it's another wet and windy mild day here!

on this note - has anyone notice the strat @ 10hpa - this has stopped updating since Monday 06z...? Brian?

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

The northern hemisphere charts started updating from t+42 on today's GFS 6z run. Once the run completes I'll manually generate the t+0 to t+39 nh charts.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=06&charthour=42&chartname=mslp500arc&chartregion=nh&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM

The problem was caused by a bug in the new GFS download script I introduced yesterday afternoon. That aside it should be quicker and more efficient than the old one. 


Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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Gandalf The White
18 December 2018 10:14:28

 

Agree to an extent but it's a fine line and the 2m stamps don't look cold to me.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Mild - 4

Cold - 6

Near average - 12


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Solar Cycles
18 December 2018 10:21:07

 

Yes, the output isn't great this morning but with the SSW anticipated and the medium range from the met office the possibility of things getting more interesting over the next week or so is definitely there!

Originally Posted by: Gary L 

We should start seeing some stellar runs by the weekend I’d have thought.

Brian Gaze
18 December 2018 10:32:38

 

Mild - 4

Cold - 6

Near average - 12

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

I don't agree with those tallies but I don't have the time or inclination to engage at the moment. 


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wallaw
18 December 2018 10:47:10

We should start seeing some stellar runs by the weekend I’d have thought.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

That's if you assume that the SSW will have a positive impact (for cold fans) on the UK weather. 


Ian

Stockton-on-Tees

Downpour
18 December 2018 10:49:56

Quite right Peter. Less data could mean more blocked/ less blocked more zonal or absolutely any possible tendency which is what makes the whole basis taking with a massive pinch of salt. 

In the mean time, the pre new year cold spell some were sure about looks less likely than ever:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

 

Christmas is coming 

The goose is getting fat

The world's weather balloons have all gone flat

When you haven't got much data

Then tea leaves will do

But if you believe the GFS then more fool you. 

 


Chingford

London E4

147ft

Chunky Pea
18 December 2018 11:06:09

Mild and benign would sum up this morning's EC's outlook into the New Year. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

marco 79
18 December 2018 11:12:10
Meanwhile the PV at 10hpa is now modelled as split in the far reaches of GFS...
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