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Gavin D
05 November 2018 21:47:38

">https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

While this forecast certainly accords fairly well with the BBC monthly outlook posted in here earlier, it certainly seems to disagree with the BBC/Meteogroup wrt the final third of November and the start of December.

Out of interest, does anyone know why the BBC dropped the MetO as their forecast provider? I have been assuming that it was to do with money, but I could be wrong about that.

 

Cost is correct they obviously felt the price the met office wanted wasn't value for money

tallyho_83
06 November 2018 00:15:40

I don't know if I am allowed to copy and cut but just realised that Matt Hugo tweeted this:

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 5h5 hours ago

Nov update of the EC Seasonal maintains the consistent risk of Northern blocking patterns through the winter. Perhaps a bias for this to be more significant as the winter passes by but even Dec shows some potential interest. A mild, wet and windy, zonal winter is, IMO, unlikely.


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Sean Moon

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Solar Cycles
06 November 2018 08:52:28

I don't know if I am allowed to copy and cut but just realised that Matt Hugo tweeted this:

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 5h5 hours ago

Nov update of the EC Seasonal maintains the consistent risk of Northern blocking patterns through the winter. Perhaps a bias for this to be more significant as the winter passes by but even Dec shows some potential interest. A mild, wet and windy, zonal winter is, IMO, unlikely.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

He’s not much better than Madden in proclaiming this, that and the other. I’ll rather pay heed to Brian, Gav P, Retron and Stormchaser than this guy.  

Brian Gaze
06 November 2018 09:01:05

I don't know if I am allowed to copy and cut but just realised that Matt Hugo tweeted this:

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Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Twitter allows you to embed Tweets, so the answer is yes. However, it looks much better if you embed the code into the source of your post. I've edited your post so you can see what I mean.

 

 


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Gavin D
06 November 2018 12:28:24
Met office

UK Outlook for Sunday 11 Nov 2018 to Tuesday 20 Nov 2018:

The unsettled weather established through the end of the previous week will still be in place on Sunday, bringing a mixture of sunshine and heavy, blustery showers across the UK. More organised bands of rain will spread east at times, accompanied by stronger winds or gales. Daytime temperatures will be around normal for the time of year and overnight frosts largely kept at bay. This theme is likely to continue through much of the period; with heaviest rainfall and strongest winds expected in western areas, perhaps gales at times. Temperatures are expected to remain around normal, with some overnight frosts possible where winds fall light. Beyond mid-November there is low confidence, but probably remaining unsettled at first but an increased chance of quieter spells developing by this point.

UK Outlook for Wednesday 21 Nov 2018 to Wednesday 5 Dec 2018:

By mid-November confidence is low, however there are signals for a transition away from the established unsettled weather to a drier, less active regime. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of early frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 

Gavin D
06 November 2018 19:39:22

 

tallyho_83
06 November 2018 19:55:16

 

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

 

Contradiction?


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Sean Moon

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Solar Cycles
06 November 2018 21:01:59

 

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

This guy is another one who changes his mind like the weather, ‘‘twas only last week he was banging the drum about an early SSW. 😏

JACKO4EVER
06 November 2018 21:17:50
Just ignore and don’t post or tweet their tosh,,,, simple really.
Gavin D
06 November 2018 21:19:06
This weekend

Mild

Windy with some showers

Next week

Remaining mild

High pressure or low pressure to become more dominant? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/46118553 

Gavin D
07 November 2018 12:22:30
Met office

UK Outlook for Monday 12 Nov 2018 to Wednesday 21 Nov 2018:

The unsettled, windy regime looks set to continue through Monday and Tuesday, bringing sunshine and bands of heavy blustery showers. Daytime temperatures expected to be around normal but overnight under clearer spells it may turn frosty away from the southeast. From mid-week there will probably be a transition away from the unsettled theme with generally drier conditions becoming established, any rain and stronger winds probably becoming confined to the far northwest. Bright or sunny spells are possible but mist and fog could be rather persistent for some, especially in central and southeastern areas. Mild or very mild for many and any overnight frosts should be mainly confined to the north. A return to more unsettled weather may occur at the very end of next week or into the following weekend.

UK Outlook for Thursday 22 Nov 2018 to Thursday 6 Dec 2018:

Confidence is low by this point, however there are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear by day given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 

Brian Gaze
07 November 2018 12:42:59

Met office


UK Outlook for Thursday 22 Nov 2018 to Thursday 6 Dec 2018:

Confidence is low by this point, however there are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear by day given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

So basically we're left with:

There are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures.

 

 


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Gavin D
07 November 2018 13:05:09

Solar Cycles
07 November 2018 13:22:36

 

Met office

UK Outlook for Monday 12 Nov 2018 to Wednesday 21 Nov 2018:

The unsettled, windy regime looks set to continue through Monday and Tuesday, bringing sunshine and bands of heavy blustery showers. Daytime temperatures expected to be around normal but overnight under clearer spells it may turn frosty away from the southeast. From mid-week there will probably be a transition away from the unsettled theme with generally drier conditions becoming established, any rain and stronger winds probably becoming confined to the far northwest. Bright or sunny spells are possible but mist and fog could be rather persistent for some, especially in central and southeastern areas. Mild or very mild for many and any overnight frosts should be mainly confined to the north. A return to more unsettled weather may occur at the very end of next week or into the following weekend.

UK Outlook for Thursday 22 Nov 2018 to Thursday 6 Dec 2018:

Confidence is low by this point, however there are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear by day given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

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David M Porter
07 November 2018 17:12:30

Met office

UK Outlook for Monday 12 Nov 2018 to Wednesday 21 Nov 2018:

The unsettled, windy regime looks set to continue through Monday and Tuesday, bringing sunshine and bands of heavy blustery showers. Daytime temperatures expected to be around normal but overnight under clearer spells it may turn frosty away from the southeast. From mid-week there will probably be a transition away from the unsettled theme with generally drier conditions becoming established, any rain and stronger winds probably becoming confined to the far northwest. Bright or sunny spells are possible but mist and fog could be rather persistent for some, especially in central and southeastern areas. Mild or very mild for many and any overnight frosts should be mainly confined to the north. A return to more unsettled weather may occur at the very end of next week or into the following weekend.

UK Outlook for Thursday 22 Nov 2018 to Thursday 6 Dec 2018:

Confidence is low by this point, however there are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear by day given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

I've seen worse forecasts at this time of year.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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nsrobins
07 November 2018 17:15:19
‘perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground.’

Would that be over really high ground then? 😉

Whoops.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Solar Cycles
07 November 2018 19:59:06

https://youtu.be/8I27au0Jc54

 

This is what we want to see in the run up to Xmas.😁

tallyho_83
08 November 2018 01:18:47

Net weathers MO from 12th Nov until 4th Dec - updated 7th Nov:

https://www.netweather.tv/weather-forecasts/uk/long-range/monthly

- Looking good from 26th Nov (Last week of Nov) - Could be a dejavu of end of October's northerly but instead of +3 to 4c it could be plus 0 to +2c with snow as it's a month later thus colder northerlies by this time also the fact they say temps could be 2 -3 c below average? Also, they mention below average rainfall in the rest towards end of November and into December - thus meaning LP to the east = northerly!?

Monthly weather forecast for the UK

Starting off mild and changeable, then turning mostly cold and dry

Updated 7th November - Covering the period 12th November - 4th December

Overview

Mean temperatures during this period will tend to be 0.5-1.0C below the 1981-2010 long-term average in most parts of the UK, but about 0.5C above in northern Scotland. There is some uncertainty over this depending on the extent of any northerly outbreaks towards the end of November and into early December.

Rainfall totals are expected to be below normal, in spite of a wet start to the period in western and southern Britain, with north-east England probably seeing the largest overall deficit, and south- western areas having only slightly below average rainfall.

Sunshine totals are expected to be close to normal in most regions with sunny weather at the end of the period offsetting cloudy weather early on, but in eastern Scotland it will probably be rather sunnier than average.

Week 2: Monday 12th November – Sunday 18th November

This period will be mostly mild and changeable with south-westerly winds, due to a rather blocked setup across the Northern Hemisphere with persistent high pressure over Europe extending towards Scandinavia at times, and a persistent low to the north-west of Britain, meaning that Britain will lie on the warm side of the block. Rain belts will frequently move from south-west to north-east across the country, but amounts in eastern areas will typically be small, with south- eastern areas often missing much of the rain due to the proximity of high pressure to the east and south-east, and eastern Scotland and north-east England seeing a pronounced rain shadow effect.

Towards the end of the period we can expect high pressure to extend into southern areas more frequently, resulting in temperatures closer to the seasonal average and in the rain belts being more confined to central and northern parts of the British Isles.

Mean temperatures will tend to be 2 to 3C above the 1981-2010 long-term average over much of the country, but closer to 1C above in southern England and also in Northern Ireland. Mean minima are likely to be higher relative to normal than maxima in most western parts of Britain, but in many eastern areas the positive anomaly will be similar by day and by night.

Rainfall totals are expected to be above normal in Wales and in western, central and southern parts of England, with most of western Scotland and Northern Ireland close to normal. Much of the east of Scotland and north-east of England will be drier than normal due to the rain shadow effect.

Sunshine totals are expected to show a northeast-southwest split with most southern and western parts of the UK duller than normal, particularly the south-west, but in the north and east of Scotland it will generally be sunnier than average.

Week 3: Monday 19th November – Sunday 25th November

The dominant trough to the north-west of Britain will weaken this week which means that the weather will be predominantly anticyclonic over the British Isles with temperatures falling below the seasonal average in most parts of the country, but in the north and west of Scotland it will be milder at times with some cloud and rain on the north-western flank of the high pressure, with south-westerlies coming in off the North Atlantic. There is an increasing chance of northerly outbreaks towards the end of the period, but only about 30% likely, with the emphasis likely to remain on dry and fairly cold weather for the majority

As a result temperatures will tend to be about 1C below the long-term average in most parts of the UK, but 0 to 1C above in northern Scotland. Rainfall totals are expected to be below normal everywhere. Sunshine totals are more uncertain because of the potential for low cloud and "anticyclonic gloom" at this time of year, but western and southern areas will probably be sunnier than average (in contrast to the previous week).


Rest of month: Monday 26th November – Tuesday 4th December

Confidence is quite low for this period but there is a significant chance of one or two northerly outbreaks occurring during this period which means that it will generally be colder than average and mostly drier than average too, but with potential for some snowfall for northern and eastern areas, depending on the length of any northerly outbreaks. The Atlantic side of the Arctic will be relatively cool for recent years (though still warmer than the 1981-2010 long-term average) and so there is potential for any northerlies to be quite potent. Temperatures are thus expected to be 2 to 3C below the long-term average over much of the country, with rainfall generally below normal, especially in the west. With polar air likely to be quite a regular visitor, sunshine totals are expected to be above normal, especially in central and western parts of Britain.


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Gavin D
08 November 2018 12:31:58
Met office

UK Outlook for Tuesday 13 Nov 2018 to Thursday 22 Nov 2018:

Tuesday is expected to bring plenty of dry, breezy weather with some good spells of sunshine. There may be some showers in the northwest, perhaps turning to longer spells of rain by Wednesday and extending into more central parts. The southeast is most likely to remain dry, with temperatures generally mild, perhaps very mild by Wednesday. Through the end of the week mild, dry weather looks set to extend across many areas with rain confined to the northwest once more. Early mist and fog may become more prevalent across south and eastern parts, while windier conditions will reduce this risk in the northwest; overnight frosts in the north more likely. These drier than average conditions may continue through the end of the period, with temperatures gradually returning to normal.

UK Outlook for Friday 23 Nov 2018 to Friday 7 Dec 2018:

A transition away from the relatively settled weather is possible towards the end of November with showers or longer spells of rain most likely to spread to all parts at times; though the northwest will remain the focus for greatest rainfall. Temperatures are expected to fluctuate around normal with overnight frosts likely in more settled interludes given the time of year. Snow is possible, especially over northern hills as we move into early December.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 

tallyho_83
08 November 2018 12:36:11

Met office

UK Outlook for Tuesday 13 Nov 2018 to Thursday 22 Nov 2018:

Tuesday is expected to bring plenty of dry, breezy weather with some good spells of sunshine. There may be some showers in the northwest, perhaps turning to longer spells of rain by Wednesday and extending into more central parts. The southeast is most likely to remain dry, with temperatures generally mild, perhaps very mild by Wednesday. Through the end of the week mild, dry weather looks set to extend across many areas with rain confined to the northwest once more. Early mist and fog may become more prevalent across south and eastern parts, while windier conditions will reduce this risk in the northwest; overnight frosts in the north more likely. These drier than average conditions may continue through the end of the period, with temperatures gradually returning to normal.

UK Outlook for Friday 23 Nov 2018 to Friday 7 Dec 2018:

A transition away from the relatively settled weather is possible towards the end of November with showers or longer spells of rain most likely to spread to all parts at times; though the northwest will remain the focus for greatest rainfall. Temperatures are expected to fluctuate around normal with overnight frosts likely in more settled interludes given the time of year. Snow is possible, especially over northern hills as we move into early December.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

 

Compared with yesterday's update:

"Confidence is low by this point, however there are signals for a change away from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times. Any settled spells are likely to support an increased probability of frost and fog across much of the UK which could be slow to clear by day given the time of year. Temperatures probably near to or above average at first. Otherwise milder spells will probably be more short-lived with an increased likelihood of below average temperatures and perhaps some snow over higher ground at times, particularly over high ground."

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So after today's update It seems like it will be becoming more unsettled as we head into end of November now as it did say a transition from the relatively settled weather is possible towards end of November to showers or longer spells of rain, when yesterday they say a change from the unsettled theme to a drier, quieter regimes at times?

Am I the only one confused?

 


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Solar Cycles
08 November 2018 12:53:05
Just when the models begin to look interesting again the MetO delivers a timely reminder that no ones got a clue after day ten. 😂😂😂😂
Ally Pally Snowman
08 November 2018 14:05:27

Massive flip in the long term forecast, basically from blocked to zonal by the sounds . Disappointing 


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Maunder Minimum
08 November 2018 15:41:25

Massive flip in the long term forecast, basically from blocked to zonal by the sounds . Disappointing 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It is just a time lag in following the models - the next update will flip back again :-)


New world order coming.
SEMerc
08 November 2018 16:01:29

He’s not much better than Madden in proclaiming this, that and the other. I’ll rather pay heed to Brian, Gav P, Retron and Stormchaser than this guy.  

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

I enjoyed it when he used to come in here and periodically throw his toys out of the pram.

Gavin D
08 November 2018 21:36:55
Further ahead

High pressure building

Chilly nights

Foggy mornings

Anticyclonic gloom

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/46147156 

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