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Phil 2804
29 August 2018 16:05:36

 

Somewhere that had 1mm of rain in June and 6mm in July. Ie not the south coast. This is the 1975 anyway. By September 2019 we will be on water rationing.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 

Ditto Heathrow area, 54 days of absolute drought just 0.3m in June even August is still below average. 

briggsy6
29 August 2018 16:07:50

Well September is going to be a scorcher according to The Mirror, so it must be true! Mind you there's plenty of the usual caveats in there (iow we aint got a clue) such as the possibility of "short lived cooler, unsettled spells" and "parts of the country could see the odd air frost". My waters tell me we could get one more v.warm settled spell before Autumn proper arrives partucularly in the south as usual.


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White Meadows
29 August 2018 22:12:55
Omg the summer of delights returns very soon with a September heatwave!

Starting the month as if flicking a switch.

Lovely ensembles, warm & dry for the foreseeable.

Bertwhistle
30 August 2018 07:09:39

This morning sees ECM and GFS Op giving settled, warm conditions throughout the run. The GFS mean from the ENS collection is interesting- clicking through the days, the mean 2m max is in the 20s C in CS England everyday from 1st to 14th.

This has been helped by for example there being no days of below average temperatures generally over England & Wales as far ahead as the 6th and 7th, with only 2 days on the cool side (P11 and 14) by 8th, 3 by 9th and 10th (P12 particularly cold on 10th) and still only 3 as far ahead as 13th.

There are still some high temps forecast, and this is interestingly similar to yesterday morning's run, before the bottom fell out on the 06z.


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Bertwhistle
30 August 2018 07:15:06

564 dam line coming into the south again for the weekend, as far as the Fax charts are concerned.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/fax/PPVL89.jpg?cb=99

 


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GezM
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30 August 2018 10:31:04

564 dam line coming into the south again for the weekend, as far as the Fax charts are concerned.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/fax/PPVL89.jpg?cb=99

 

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

That's actually a downgrade on what it showed a couple of days ago. Previously, the fronts stayed further north and west and the 564 dam line was somewhere near the Scottish border. 


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xioni2
30 August 2018 22:50:44

EC46 update has a very blocked H1 Sep and a more zonal H2.

 

idj20
31 August 2018 09:16:21

All along with the return of the nor'easter. Even though SST's around the SE coasts are at their warmest, I'd probably end up with several days of overcast skies and cool winds all rolling in from the North Sea here at this end of Kent.

Of course, that'll all be gone by October, replaced by raging south westerlies lasting for the next four months.


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chelseagirl
31 August 2018 11:46:36

All along with the return of the nor'easter. Even though SST's around the SE coasts are at their warmest, I'd probably end up with several days of overcast skies and cool winds all rolling in from the North Sea here at this end of Kent.

Of course, that'll all be gone by October, replaced by raging south westerlies lasting for the next four months.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

On the Norfolk coast too. We have 17/18 degrees forecastdue to the NW wind. Was ever the way, I know, but like the beginning of the summer when everyone else seemed to be getting mid to high 20’s, we had 15s and 17s, and even worse FOG!


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Bertwhistle
31 August 2018 13:55:49

Don't be disheartened by the GFS 6z- look at the ENS to see the Op is visibly low in the pack. In fact, many Ps continue the warm theme well into September. Take P7 (it's OK to cherry-pick; just don't swallow the stone )- for days 1-14 it goes from very warm until the 6th, when a transition to hot takes place in the south, peaking at 30°C on 8th. In fact, 11 of the Ps on 8th show temps reaching or exceeding 24C on the postage stamps- and these don't usually IMO pick out the highest temps, just the general broader scene.

From 8th to 14th, the nights look very like July 1983, with 7 consecutive      17°C + minima (6am temps). By 13th there are still 9 Ps with max above 24C.  Local mean max for first 14 days = 25.5°C and mean  min = 16.3. A brief lull on 15th, still above average, then this sets in:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/7_384_850tmp.png?cb=909

Heading for a further warm up.


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Hungry Tiger
31 August 2018 14:15:22

Don't be disheartened by the GFS 6z- look at the ENS to see the Op is visibly low in the pack. In fact, many Ps continue the warm theme well into September. Take P7 (it's OK to cherry-pick; just don't swallow the stone )- for days 1-14 it goes from very warm until the 6th, when a transition to hot takes place in the south, peaking at 30°C on 8th. In fact, 11 of the Ps on 8th show temps reaching or exceeding 2C on the postage stamps- and these don't usually IMO pick out the highest temps, just the general broader scene.

From 8th to 14th, the nights look very like July 1983, with 7 consecutive      17°C + minima (6am temps). By 13th there are still 9 Ps with max above 24C.  Local mean max for first 14 days = 25.5°C and mean  min = 16.3. A brief lull on 15th, still above average, then this sets in:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/7_384_850tmp.png?cb=909

Heading for a further warm up.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Looks like a very warm September is in order.

 


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TimS
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31 August 2018 15:35:03
The interesting thing is the contrast with July. Under blocked conditions almost any wind direction in July brings warm weather, except a Northerly. Even if the East coast is cool and cloudy under an Easterly the West is hot.

In September the wind direction matters more. We need something in the Southerly half of the wind rose, or dead calm.

Hence the scatter in temps despite uniformly blocked and dry ensembles.


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TimS
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31 August 2018 16:22:01

In fact the GFS12z is a case in point. There are some charts for next week that are uncannily like those in June, but with maxes of 21C rather than close to 30. With similar 850s and clear skies (see next Wednesday and Thursday).

In June those charts were giving chilly low cloud to the East but 28C+ in places like Blackpool.

The same charts in January giving sub-zero maxes and snow flurries, of course.


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LeedsLad123
31 August 2018 16:25:11
I would expect that with higher sea temperatures now that low cloud would be less of an issue for eastern areas than it was in June.
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andy-manc
31 August 2018 16:29:33

The forecast is definitely looking much cloudier than June, at least in these parts.

Bertwhistle
31 August 2018 16:54:33

The interesting thing is the contrast with July. Under blocked conditions almost any wind direction in July brings warm weather, except a Northerly. Even if the East coast is cool and cloudy under an Easterly the West is hot.

In September the wind direction matters more. We need something in the Southerly half of the wind rose, or dead calm.

Hence the scatter in temps despite uniformly blocked and dry ensembles.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

I'd say anything S of NEly can be good in September- at least in the first half of the month, if the upstream conditions are right:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1991&maand=9&dag=5&h=0&nmaps=24

5th Sep 1991, and:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?jaar=1999&maand=9&dag=3&uur=1800&var=2&map=1&model=noaa

from 1999; and:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?jaar=2006&maand=9&dag=6&uur=1800&var=2&map=1&model=noaa

from 2006. Hopefully there are some later Sep ENElies that do the job too- 1987?

 


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Bertwhistle
01 September 2018 07:21:30

All change this morning as both GFS and ECM produce a nasty little low over S Scandinavia which promptly serves up a very cool northerly flow. GFS generates it a little earlier, with ECM waiting till +144.


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bledur
01 September 2018 08:51:05

All change this morning as both GFS and ECM produce a nasty little low over S Scandinavia which promptly serves up a very cool northerly flow. GFS generates it a little earlier, with ECM waiting till +144.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

 That is the trouble with looking so far ahead.

richardabdn
01 September 2018 09:04:49

I would expect that with higher sea temperatures now that low cloud would be less of an issue for eastern areas than it was in June.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

I disagree. Cloud is always going to be an issue for eastern areas under easterly winds and at this time of year would be less likely to burn off than in June because of the weaker sun.

Low cloud was a big problem for the east during the easterly September 2002 which was only sunny in western parts. 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2002/9/2002_9_Sunshine_Anomaly_1961-1990.gif

Fortunately I spent as long weekend in Arrochar from the 20th to 23rd and it was glorious clear blue skies whereas back home it was cloudy.

September 2014 was another one that brought lots of cloud to the east. We had a whole week of fog and overcast skies from the 13th to 19th. Somehow Northumberland managed above average sun but the rest of the east was rubbish

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2014/9/2014_9_Sunshine_Anomaly_1961-1990.gif

 


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Brian Gaze
01 September 2018 11:26:29

Static snapshot of this. Wow!


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Bolty
01 September 2018 12:12:26

The cold chart at the end looks even more interesting when you zoom out. North of the UK pretty much the coldest part of the northern hemisphere, apart from Greenland:


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Nick Gilly
01 September 2018 12:19:46

The cold chart at the end looks even more interesting when you zoom out. North of the UK pretty much the coldest part of the northern hemisphere, apart from Greenland:

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

 

What's most impressive for me is how much tropical characteristics that hurricane has that far north. If that comes off that could pack quite a punch if it hits the UK!

Bertwhistle
01 September 2018 14:54:35

The upset to the nice looking set ups that appeared up to about a day ago is caused in both GFS and ECM by a proper discrete low forming between the HP N of the UK and the HP over N Russia. This effectively prevents extension of our HP over Scandinavia, which led to the very positive warm E/SEly set-ups modelled. 

That signal continues in the GFS 06z but again the green line is low in the chart. The Control handles it interestingly- it develops a separate robust little HP over S.England (1025mb) by T + 210:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/0_210_500mb.png?cb=78

This bulges and settles eastward, allowing the warm ENEly hitherto hinted at to gain a foothold.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/0_276_850tmp.png?cb=996

 

The Control is quite high in the graph, but has support from a handful of other members.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=441

 


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bledur
02 September 2018 13:13:27

Much cooler at the end of the week  and some rain

Bertwhistle
02 September 2018 17:06:37

Notice GFS is teasing us again, just out of range of the unforgivable.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_225_mslp850.png?cb=622

 


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