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Gusty
18 August 2018 10:16:37

A low 17's finish would be a remarkable achievement on top of the 16.1c in June and 19.1c in July.

Thanks for the update GW. 


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ARTzeman
18 August 2018 11:09:27

Met Office Hadley     17.8c.       Anomaly     1.8c. Provisional to 17th.

Metcheck                  17.98c.     Anomaly     1.7c

Netweather               18.52c      Anomaly     2.33c

Alton                       17.9c        Anomaly     0.27c

Cheadle Hulme        17.6c        Anomaly      1.44c

Hexam                    17.5c       Anomaly       1.94c

Mansfield Woodhouse 18.4c   Anomaly  1.8c

Peasedown St John   17.3c   Anomaly  -1.02c.

 

Mean Of 10 Stations 18.1c.                




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Bertwhistle
18 August 2018 12:53:19

Some very high minimums over the next few days should keep the CET fairly stable. I currently have it at 17.64C.

There is a change indicated on Thursday to fresher conditions which at the moment is still suggesting a drop off in the CET to potentially as low as 17.0C by the end of the month.

If the CET did fall to 17C we would still finish just ahead of the summer of 1995 at 17.41C overall.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

That is an excellent outcome GW. Thanks for the update.


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Hungry Tiger
18 August 2018 13:26:47

Some very high minimums over the next few days should keep the CET fairly stable. I currently have it at 17.64C.

There is a change indicated on Thursday to fresher conditions which at the moment is still suggesting a drop off in the CET to potentially as low as 17.0C by the end of the month.

If the CET did fall to 17C we would still finish just ahead of the summer of 1995 at 17.41C overall.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

Great stuff Simon. Some fasniating temps this August - what with warm short spells interspersed with cool ones.

 


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Hungry Tiger
18 August 2018 13:27:39

Looks like the cool weather next weekend will derail the chances of a plus 18.0C CET.

 


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18 August 2018 14:46:22

Some very high minimums over the next few days should keep the CET fairly stable. I currently have it at 17.64C.

There is a change indicated on Thursday to fresher conditions which at the moment is still suggesting a drop off in the CET to potentially as low as 17.0C by the end of the month.

If the CET did fall to 17C we would still finish just ahead of the summer of 1995 at 17.41C overall.

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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

 Cheers GW!  

An exciting end to a fantastic summer but I’ll be away from Thursday and won’t Be able to share it.  I’ll pm my September guess before I go. 


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Stormchaser
18 August 2018 17:06:45

Many thanks as always GW 

 

I've been eyeing that cooler potential with great concern. The hope has been that the pattern will actually turn out flat enough to limit the intrusion, but even if it turns totally westerly, the upstream sequence of events looks to inject some particularly cool air (near 0*C 850s) into the flow. 

Seems like the warmest case scenario limits the period within that cool air to Thursday afternoon (after a mild night) and Friday daytime, while keeping the flow strong enough to keep the night temps from falling too far, and then has renewed ridging from the Azores during Saturday.

The coolest case scenario through to Monday 27th is pretty much the GFS 12z. The way that run then unfolds really shows how likely it is to be 'too little, too late' for the summer CET record as opposed to a total failure of the Nino pattern to materialise before month's end.

 

It'll be a real shame IMO if it turns out that way as I can see how we could still quite easily finish in the mid-17s if the weekend isn't as cool, which would leave summer 2018 a few rungs nearer to the top of the ladder.

 

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Whether Idle
18 August 2018 19:07:25

Many thanks as always GW 

 

I've been eyeing that cooler potential with great concern. The hope has been that the pattern will actually turn out flat enough to limit the intrusion, but even if it turns totally westerly, the upstream sequence of events looks to inject some particularly cool air (near 0*C 850s) into the flow. 

Seems like the warmest case scenario limits the period within that cool air to Thursday afternoon (after a mild night) and Friday daytime, while keeping the flow strong enough to keep the night temps from falling too far, and then has renewed ridging from the Azores during Saturday.

 

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Have faith SC.  You and I both went too high for August, and what seemed a reasonable  bet has been punished by some Atlantic mediocrity.  

What you describe above (ive bolded)  is not far off the 12z ECM.  t144 is a long way off in model terms, the final August CET and its attendant model modulations is all to play for.

Look at the JMA for 24th here: 


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Caz
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19 August 2018 03:21:13

Many thanks as always GW 

I've been eyeing that cooler potential with great concern. The hope has been that the pattern will actually turn out flat enough to limit the intrusion, but even if it turns totally westerly, the upstream sequence of events looks to inject some particularly cool air (near 0*C 850s) into the flow. 

Seems like the warmest case scenario limits the period within that cool air to Thursday afternoon (after a mild night) and Friday daytime, while keeping the flow strong enough to keep the night temps from falling too far, and then has renewed ridging from the Azores during Saturday.

The coolest case scenario through to Monday 27th is pretty much the GFS 12z. The way that run then unfolds really shows how likely it is to be 'too little, too late' for the summer CET record as opposed to a total failure of the Nino pattern to materialise before month's end.

It'll be a real shame IMO if it turns out that way as I can see how we could still quite easily finish in the mid-17s if the weekend isn't as cool, which would leave summer 2018 a few rungs nearer to the top of the ladder.

Caz, I hope you have a great holiday! Are you heading abroad? Whether you are or not may make half a degree's difference to the final CET 

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Yes, Dominican Republic, with daily means of about 28c.  Is that good or bad for the CET?  

I’m keeping an eye on the hurricane season thread. My brother was there at the same time last year and experienced hurricane Irma!  Whereas, I was in Cape Verde where and when it started!  The weather always does strange things when we go away.  We flew to India on 1st March this year,  leaving the Beast from the East and we came home on 15th, to the start of another!  I’ll try not to start anything this time!     


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Bertwhistle
19 August 2018 09:32:36

 Cheers GW!  

An exciting end to a fantastic summer but I’ll be away from Thursday and won’t Be able to share it.  I’ll pm my September guess before I go. 

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Aw, Caz, you've timed it perfectly! We were quite the opposite, away from 24th July and back on 8th- we missed both heatwaves!

Meanwhile, as WI pointed out, it's still quite nail-biting stuff with the models. With a CET min of 16.4 yesterday, it will be interesting to see the daily CET mean figure, and how that impacts on the month to date. When it might snow in winter you get this, but for me, this is even more exciting than watching the July 15 or Sep 16 heat unfold in the models.


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ARTzeman
19 August 2018 10:20:09

Met Office Hadley          17.8c.       Anomaly      1.9c.  Provisional to 18th.

Metcheck                       18.02c      Anomaly       1.79c

Netweather                    18.53c      Anomaly       2.34c

Alton                            17.9c        Anomaly      0.27c         

Canvey Island               19.8c        Anomaly      1.6c

Cheadle Hulme              17.6c        Anomaly      1.44c

Clevedon Weather          18.7c       Anomaly      1.35c

Darwen                         18.1c       Anomaly      1.68c

Hexam                          17.6c       Anomaly      2.04c

Mount Sorrel                  18.7c       Anomaly     2.07c

Mansfield Woodhouse      18.5c      Anomaly      1.9c 

Peasedown St John         17.3c      Anomaly      -1.02c 

Treviskey Redruth           17.3c.     Anomaly      0.78c.   

 

Mean Of MY Watched 10 Stations   Using 5 Year average = 18.15c.                              




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Hungry Tiger
19 August 2018 11:26:53

Met Office Hadley          17.8c.       Anomaly      1.9c.  Provisional to 18th.

Metcheck                       18.02c      Anomaly       1.79c

Netweather                    18.53c      Anomaly       2.34c

Alton                            17.9c        Anomaly      0.27c         

Canvey Island               19.8c        Anomaly      1.6c

Cheadle Hulme              17.6c        Anomaly      1.44c

Clevedon Weather          18.7c       Anomaly      1.35c

Darwen                         18.1c       Anomaly      1.68c

Hexam                          17.6c       Anomaly      2.04c

Mount Sorrel                  18.7c       Anomaly     2.07c

Mansfield Woodhouse      18.5c      Anomaly      1.9c 

Peasedown St John         17.3c      Anomaly      -1.02c 

Treviskey Redruth           17.3c.     Anomaly      0.78c.   

 

Mean Of MY Watched 10 Stations   Using 5 Year average = 18.15c.                              

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

Got to lift that by 0.4C - Can't see it happening I'm afraid.


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Whether Idle
19 August 2018 11:59:44

 

Aw, Caz, you've timed it perfectly! We were quite the opposite, away from 24th July and back on 8th- we missed both heatwaves!

Meanwhile, as WI pointed out, it's still quite nail-biting stuff with the models. With a CET min of 16.4 yesterday, it will be interesting to see the daily CET mean figure, and how that impacts on the month to date. When it might snow in winter you get this, but for me, this is even more exciting than watching the July 15 or Sep 16 heat unfold in the models.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Hi Bertie

 

Im of the view that relatively high minima will blunt the attack of cooler air when it affects us later in the next week.  This is as good as if not better than winter model watching.


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Bertwhistle
19 August 2018 12:04:21

 

Hi Bertie

 

Im of the view that relatively high minima will blunt the attack of cooler air when it affects us later in the next week.  This is as good as if not better than winter model watching.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

I agree; we've got another 4 warm nights to look forward to and if, like today, the sun does break through then 4 warm days too. Estimate 15 degree minima and 22C maxima would give us a 4 day average of 18.5. That should be enough to at least stabilise the CET well above 17 until the end of the weekend. What happens thereafter will be very interesting.


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Global Warming
19 August 2018 12:23:38

My latest calculations have the CET at 17.74C at the end of Wednesday so very healthy indeed.

Unfortunately after that it is looking decidedly fresh right to the end of the month. This morning's calculations suggest the CET could fall nearly 1C in the final 9 days. Current estimate for the whole of August is just 16.84C which is the lowest figure yet. Given this is based on raw output it bound to be at the lower end of what is likely. Hopefully this cool down will not be quite as severe as is currently indicated.

A finishing number of 16.84C would mean summer 2018 ties 1995 with 17.37C.

Caz
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19 August 2018 13:27:33

My latest calculations have the CET at 17.74C at the end of Wednesday so very healthy indeed.

Unfortunately after that it is looking decidedly fresh right to the end of the month. This morning's calculations suggest the CET could fall nearly 1C in the final 9 days. Current estimate for the whole of August is just 16.84C which is the lowest figure yet. Given this is based on raw output it bound to be at the lower end of what is likely. Hopefully this cool down will not be quite as severe as is currently indicated.

A finishing number of 16.84C would mean summer 2018 ties 1995 with 17.37C.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

  Eek!  If there’s a chance of finishing that low, there’s also a danger we won’t even make the top five!   Nooooo!  

I’ll do my best to send some tropical heat this way!   


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Bertwhistle
19 August 2018 14:22:44

My latest calculations have the CET at 17.74C at the end of Wednesday so very healthy indeed.

Unfortunately after that it is looking decidedly fresh right to the end of the month. This morning's calculations suggest the CET could fall nearly 1C in the final 9 days. Current estimate for the whole of August is just 16.84C which is the lowest figure yet. Given this is based on raw output it bound to be at the lower end of what is likely. Hopefully this cool down will not be quite as severe as is currently indicated.

A finishing number of 16.84C would mean summer 2018 ties 1995 with 17.37C.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

With that cooling GW, it still seems very encouraging, in relation to those warmest listed summers. So we wouldn't need much above 16.84 to pip 1995. 


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Gusty
19 August 2018 15:00:39

Ouch GW...your post actually made me wince when I read the high 16's ! 

It was so good for so long.

2018 feels like a football team that have been in the automatic promotion spot all season who then lose a couple of games and finish 3rd. A play off final then ends in defeat. 

Come on 2018...play to the final whistle ! 


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ARTzeman
19 August 2018 15:11:10

Thought I placed in 16.85 for my prediction but it seems like it was my 5 year mean got sent instead  ... Never mind.. Happy at what I got.




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19 August 2018 15:19:00

-- HOTTEST EVER SUMMER CHALLENGE (top 6) ---

1. 1976 CET summer average was 17.77C
2. 2018 so far (to the 16th) ----17.74C
3. 1826 was 17.60c
4. 1995 was 17.36c
5. 2003 was 17.33c
6. 2006 was 17.23c

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

  That’s a good way of looking at it!  I hope you’ll do more updates!

There’s not very much between the last three and it looks like there’s a gap waiting to be bridged between 17.60 and 17.36.  But I still have everything crossed for 2018 to take the second spot!  Not because I know anything but because I’m an optimist!  


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ARTzeman
19 August 2018 15:27:31

  That’s a good way of looking at it!  I hope you’ll do more updates!

There’s not very much between the last three and it looks like there’s a gap waiting to be bridged between 17.60 and 17.36.  But I still have everything crossed for 2018 to take the second spot!  Not because I know anything but because I’m an optimist!  

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19 August 2018 15:27:45

Ouch GW...your post actually made me wince when I read the high 16's ! 

It was so good for so long.

2018 feels like a football team that have been in the automatic promotion spot all season who then lose a couple of games and finish 3rd. A play off final then ends in defeat. 

Come on 2018...play to the final whistle ! 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

 A bit like the World Cup!  Something you thought was a thing of the past and then it exceeded all expectations.  It reminded us of what could be and sent us forward with high hopes, even though we all knew the finishing leg would be tough.  Then it fizzled out before the final and left us deflated!  

But!  We know we have the means to do it now! 


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Gusty
19 August 2018 15:28:46

 A bit like the World Cup!  Something you thought was a thing of the past and then it exceeded all expectations.  It reminded us of what could be and sent us forward with high hopes, even though we all knew the finishing leg would be tough.  Then it fizzled out before the final and left us deflated!  

But!  We know we have the means to do it now! 

Originally Posted by: Caz 

 The natural decline after 21st August always means that rewards are harder as we are swimming against the tide. Give up swimming and you are in free fall.


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19 August 2018 16:09:47

My latest calculations have the CET at 17.74C at the end of Wednesday so very healthy indeed.

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

I am not the biggest fan of the CET, but what you do here is both interesting and fun.

Thank you for your time and effort.

 

Stormchaser
19 August 2018 19:51:45

Yes, Dominican Republic, with daily means of about 28c.  Is that good or bad for the CET?  

I’m keeping an eye on the hurricane season thread. My brother was there at the same time last year and experienced hurricane Irma!  Whereas, I was in Cape Verde where and when it started!  The weather always does strange things when we go away.  We flew to India on 1st March this year,  leaving the Beast from the East and we came home on 15th, to the start of another!  I’ll try not to start anything this time!     

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Very good for the CET staying higher .

As it is, hopes are pinned on the models being too 'obsessed' (overall) with the current 'Nino-lull' in forcing, blindsiding them to the upcoming restoration of Nino forcing (trigger for that most likely being pulled 5-6 days from now).

There have been a few runs here and there which show greater awareness, but a look at the ECM 12z tonight in the 7-10 day range for example really shows how they're continuing to lean the opposite way to what's expected.

Basically, if this way of thinking is correct, the location of the main ridge relative to the UK for the weekend of 25th-26th will adjust east, with the trough being moved aside more quickly.

I wonder how high today's CET was? Temps seemed to rise quite a bit beyond the modelled values for western parts.

 

p.s. not seeing much activity in the tropical Atlantic at the moment but things can change quickly down there as you go into September which is peak tropical activity month for the main development region across to the central Caribbean and then NW from there to Florida. 


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