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SJV
21 July 2018 13:14:05

Just a reminder of maxes in the SE based on the 06z op (+2C), which is at the upper end long term but not an outlier:

Sat 30
Sun 29
Mon 31
Tues 32
Wed 31
Thurs 32
Fri 36
Sat 29
Sun 30
Mon 31
Tues 31
Wed 32
Thurs 34
Fri 36
Sat 37
Sun 37

Hmm.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

The scary thing is it is far from an outlier at the end of the run. A remarkable number of members look hot for the beginning of August, and quite dry, too 

Polar Low
21 July 2018 13:16:31

Cheers, do you have a link to that?

 

And that's the old run, the latest one is even warmer and more blocked with high pressure building westwards over the UK and persisting until early Sep.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Hungry Tiger
21 July 2018 13:17:08

What is the July high record temp? I wonder if its under threat this next week.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Just looked it up 36.7C

 


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KevBrads1
21 July 2018 13:17:18

What is the July high record temp? I wonder if its under threat this next week.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

36.7C set on the 1st July 2015, I recall.


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xioni2
21 July 2018 13:18:03

Cheers, do you have a link to that?

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Not a public one I am afraid.

Polar Low
21 July 2018 13:20:34

Heathrow

 

36.7C set on the 1st July 2015, I recall.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Polar Low
21 July 2018 13:21:38

Thanks anyway,

 

Not a public one I am afraid.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Polar Low
21 July 2018 13:23:59

Grass fires worries especially for farmers and harvesting 

 

The scary thing is it is far from an outlier at the end of the run. A remarkable number of members look hot for the beginning of August, and quite dry, too 

Originally Posted by: SJV 

Hungry Tiger
21 July 2018 13:24:26

Just a reminder of maxes in the SE based on the 06z op (+2C), which is at the upper end long term but not an outlier:

Sat 30
Sun 29
Mon 31
Tues 32
Wed 31
Thurs 32
Fri 36
Sat 29
Sun 30
Mon 31
Tues 31
Wed 32
Thurs 34
Fri 36
Sat 37
Sun 37

Hmm.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

That lot looks incredible.


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Col
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21 July 2018 13:29:44

 

36.7C set on the 1st July 2015, I recall.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

At Heathrow. There was much talk about 'hot tarmac' at the time but the record stands. What is remarkable about this reading is that it ocurred during what was ultimately a very average summer. Yet it was higher than anything ever acheived during 1976.


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golfingmad
21 July 2018 13:48:31

 

At Heathrow. There was much talk about 'hot tarmac' at the time but the record stands. What is remarkable about this reading is that it ocurred during what was ultimately a very average summer. Yet it was higher than anything ever acheived during 1976.

Originally Posted by: Col 

I would say that, as things stand at the moment with the models, the July record of 36.7C may be broken at some point this coming week.

As it is, probably any of the date records in the final week or so of July are now under threat. Here are the date records as they stand at the moment:

23rd July: 33.4C (North Heath, West Sussex 1989).

24th: 32.6 (Barnet 1900).

25th: 33.9 (Regent's Park London 1900).

26th: 33.3 (Southampton 1885).

27th: 34.4 (Margate and Cambridge Botanic Gardens 1933).

28th: 35.0 (Milford Surrey 1948).

29th: 34.4 (Perdiswell Worcester 1948).

30th: 33.3 (Shinfield Berks, Mildenhall Suffolk & Halstead Essex, 1948).

31st: 33.9 (Croydon and Perdiswell Worcester 1943).

 


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Bolty
21 July 2018 14:51:12

Friday: Hot continental air from the south + cool Atlantic air from the west = one big massive kaboom!

It would be a remarkable day for exceptional heat in the south and east, and a remarkable day for exceptional thunder and lightning in the north and west if that was to verify!


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Stormchaser
21 July 2018 15:19:05

A real model-stretcher for Fri-Sat this coming week as we have both a trough merging with a secondary low and a shallow 'heat low' over Europe coming into play at the same time.

The first of those causes the greatest overall uncertainty, as the precise path of the secondary low and timing of merger with the parent trough will affect the position of the trough by hundreds of miles. We are, though, seeing a slight north-westward trend in the trough position once the variability on top is filtered out, which may have significant ramifications if it continues much longer.

The second troublemaker, that 'heat low', has been shown on numerous recent GFS runs to 'shake hands' with the front associated with the Atlantic trough on Friday, injecting some extra moisture and instability to help kick off widespread thunderstorms by late morning to mid-afternoon (latest in east). In the process, the 'heat low' dissipates as the associated heat is diminished, allowing high pressure ridging in from the southwest in the wake of the glancing blow from the Atlantic trough to take full control of proceedings for the weekend.

UKMO makes less of that low but has the trough closer-by so perhaps a similar outcome overall with, say, a bit less in the way of thundery activity in the far southeast.

ECM, however, has continued to be the more exploratory of the models, asking the question 'what if the trough is so far northwest that the 'heat low' doesn't interact with it much and remains present through the weekend?'. In my opinion, the trough movement away from the UK and encroachment of high pressure from Scandinavia brings a good chance of keeping that low from having much influence, but the ECM 00z did not agree, introducing a mix of thunderstorms and thundery rain across a wide swathe of the UK by late Sunday, after some more fleeting activity on Saturday evening.

 

In that last paragraph I've hinted at a suspicion of mine - that the westward reach of the Scandinavian High for Friday onward is being underestimated.

This line of thinking stems from the fact that while the models are certainly seeing that the forcing pattern emanating from the tropical Pacific is increasingly shaping up to be one that favours high pressure from the UK to Scandinavia, the observed pace of this coming together during the past 5 days has exceeded the modelled pace.

So those signs of a more stable form of easterly heat past day 10 might actually be more relevant for next weekend onward.

I must of course stress the might in that statement, as tropical forcing theory only enables one to see what's more probable, as opposed to what's definitely coming our way, and that 'more probable' is typically only a chance of around 60 to 70%.

 

Regardless of the timing, having such a vast and intense pool of heat coming together ahead of a period when a UK-Scandinavian high pressure pattern looks likely to come together for at least a few days, is plenty of reason to be concerned about dangerous levels of heat reaching the UK for at least a short time at some point within the next few weeks.

That being said, it's not sufficient at this range to start waving your arms around and shouting across the street, though it may be wise to have a bit of a think about what you can do to help the more vulnerable of our population should such conditions come around. I've already had a long think over how best to help out my 96 year old grandfather who, thankfully, lives down in Poole which is unlikely to see the peak of whatever level of heat we see.


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Arcus
21 July 2018 15:27:00

A real model-stretcher for Fri-Sat this coming week as we have both a trough merging with a secondary low and a shallow 'heat low' over Europe coming into play at the same time.

The first of those causes the greatest overall uncertainty, as the precise path of the secondary low and timing of merger with the parent trough will affect the position of the trough by hundreds of miles. We are, though, seeing a slight north-westward trend in the trough position once the variability on top is filtered out, which may have significant ramifications if it continues much longer.

The second troublemaker, that 'heat low', has been shown on numerous recent GFS runs to 'shake hands' with the front associated with the Atlantic trough on Friday, injecting some extra moisture and instability to help kick off widespread thunderstorms by late morning to mid-afternoon (latest in east). In the process, the 'heat low' dissipates as the associated heat is diminished, allowing high pressure ridging in from the southwest in the wake of the glancing blow from the Atlantic trough to take full control of proceedings for the weekend.

UKMO makes less of that low but has the trough closer-by so perhaps a similar outcome overall with, say, a bit less in the way of thundery activity in the far southeast.

ECM, however, has continued to be the more exploratory of the models, asking the question 'what if the trough is so far northwest that the 'heat low' doesn't interact with it much and remains present through the weekend?'. In my opinion, the trough movement away from the UK and encroachment of high pressure from Scandinavia brings a good chance of keeping that low from having much influence, but the ECM 00z did not agree, introducing a mix of thunderstorms and thundery rain across a wide swathe of the UK by late Sunday, after some more fleeting activity on Saturday evening.

 

In that last paragraph I've hinted at a suspicion of mine - that the westward reach of the Scandinavian High for Friday onward is being underestimated.

This line of thinking stems from the fact that while the models are certainly seeing that the forcing pattern emanating from the tropical Pacific is increasingly shaping up to be one that favours high pressure from the UK to Scandinavia, the observed pace of this coming together during the past 5 days has exceeded the modelled pace.

So those signs of a more stable form of easterly heat past day 10 might actually be more relevant for next weekend onward.

I must of course stress the might in that statement, as tropical forcing theory only enables one to see what's more probable, as opposed to what's definitely coming our way, and that 'more probable' is typically only a chance of around 60 to 70%.

 

Regardless of the timing, having such a vast and intense pool of heat coming together ahead of a period when a UK-Scandinavian high pressure pattern looks likely to come together for at least a few days, is plenty of reason to be concerned about dangerous levels of heat reaching the UK for at least a short time at some point within the next few weeks.

That being said, it's not sufficient at this range to start waving your arms around and shouting across the street, though it may be wise to have a bit of a think about what you can do to help the more vulnerable of our population should such conditions come around. I've already had a long think over how best to help out my 96 year old grandfather who, thankfully, lives down in Poole which is unlikely to see the peak of whatever level of heat we see.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Great analysis as ever James. As you say the modelling of the phasing/intensity of the secondary low and what follows will be fascinating to watch evolve in the coming runs.

My two cats won't enjoy the coming week I suspect - Siberians are not exactly short-haired, and my two have been off their food and very listless on recent warm days.


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Jiries
21 July 2018 15:42:16

Just a reminder of maxes in the SE based on the 06z op (+2C), which is at the upper end long term but not an outlier:

Sat 30
Sun 29
Mon 31
Tues 32
Wed 31
Thurs 32
Fri 36
Sat 29
Sun 30
Mon 31
Tues 31
Wed 32
Thurs 34
Fri 36
Sat 37
Sun 37

Hmm.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Impressive just what bug me is the cloud amounts have been far too much and kept the high temps capping like today and to order to get those temps that you listed need very clear skies to get this, just like other countries heatwaves have no clouds at all.  Horrible today and hope to see clearer air tomorrow to get low 30's on Monday with dry heat.

TimS
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21 July 2018 15:43:30

 

At Heathrow. There was much talk about 'hot tarmac' at the time but the record stands. What is remarkable about this reading is that it ocurred during what was ultimately a very average summer. Yet it was higher than anything ever acheived during 1976.

Originally Posted by: Col 

Thing is, the whole country now resembles the vegetation equivalent of a tarmac runway. With this drought Britain has become one giant UHI.


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xioni2
21 July 2018 16:06:22

In that last paragraph I've hinted at a suspicion of mine - that the westward reach of the Scandinavian High for Friday onward is being underestimated.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

That's my expectation too and it has happened repeatedly since early May. 

Jake
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21 July 2018 16:30:16

no old bean I was referring to P6 in the ensembles:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

 

Just using Shropshire as an analogy for a ‘rotten apple’ scenario. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Its been a while so my memory isnt great! Is that indicating most of the runs are going for warmer than average temps over that peroid? Do you know if they do ones for other UK cities?


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Jake
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21 July 2018 16:32:56

Or potentially very hot for the se Gav

Outlook for Wednesday 25 Jul 2018 to Friday 3 Aug 2018:

Temperatures nearer normal in the west, but generally very warm elsewhere, with hot or very hot conditions at times, especially in the southeast.

UK Outlook for Saturday 4 Aug 2018 to Saturday 18 Aug 2018:

Temperatures remaining above average for most, with the potential for further spells of very warm or hot conditions, and possibly very hot, especially in the southeast

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Gentle reminder not everyone lives in the SE!  


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TimS
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21 July 2018 17:09:01
12z GFS is another hot one but not quite as hot as 06z.

GEM brings the low pressure closeish after a very hot end to next week and is in the balance at 240hrs.

UKMO is also finely balanced at 144hrs.

No ENS out just yet.


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Arcus
21 July 2018 17:19:06

Well the ENS are creeping out, and the GFS 12z Op is fairly representative of the mean thus far IMBY (out 28th July). The spread at that date shows how crucial the orientation and positioning of the low to the west is. Some runs give a SW flow with the main heat pushed to the east (clipping SE England), others have a less energetic low with the HP influencing us more resulting in more southerly (and hotter) flow.


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Stormchaser
21 July 2018 17:28:11

Interesting UKMO 12z with the LP as far west as the ECM 00z had it, a bit further south but more than offset by the Scandinavian blocking high being a little south too and a great deal further west.

With shallow disturbances about to run into that trough from the west (see the kinks in the 1010 and 1015 mb lines), I imagine the next day would see the Atlantic trough shifted slightly west. Question then is what goes on to the south of the UK - does a 'heat low' take shape and advance toward the Atlantic trough, or does pressure simply rise from the east as the Scandinavian blocking high extends west in tandem with the trough?

A fascinating but concerning concept given that this chart essentially shows a 'heat dome' type of blocking high, the likes of which brought Russia their extreme hot summer back in 2010. I believe the mechanism behind those is that hot air reaches unusually high up into the atmosphere, interfering with the attempts of cooler air to overrun the surface high and bring about its demise.


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TimS
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21 July 2018 17:39:37
Some really remarkable weather coming up for the West coast of Norway. Interior also pretty hot - I wonder how Lesjaskog is faring.

If I’m not mistaken somewhere like Trondheim could get at or around 30C for over a week in a row. Quite something.

Also very hot in Denmark, particularly Jutland.


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TimS
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21 July 2018 17:42:48
From 29 July onwards GFS op is a markedly cool outlier. Just look at P09

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&time=228&run=12&lid=P09&h=0&tr=6 


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Brian Gaze
21 July 2018 18:00:22
Clearly there is the potential for a historic spell of weather. To me that's exciting but I'm reasonably well adapted for the heat thank goodness! On the other hand the winter principle could apply: the most extreme alnost never verifies.
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