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Rob K
17 July 2018 10:12:59

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Would the record 74 dry days in Mile End, London be broken by August?   Now 40th day without rain here so far.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

73 days I think that was.

According to this article by Philip Eden the longest drought in 1995 was 42 days at Margate, so should be on course to break that. Wikipedia says 1976 had a 45-day drought in parts of the southwest.

Only on our 30th day of drought here.


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Gusty
17 July 2018 10:32:34

I cant believe the output I'm seeing.

If I have this correct (ECM biased) it's now looking likely that down here many parts will stay dry for the foreseeable with a heat reload from as early as Thursday. 30c (86f) is on the cards for a week or so thereafter. 


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Jiries
17 July 2018 10:38:49

I cant believe the output I'm seeing.

If I have this correct (ECM biased) it's now looking likely that down here many parts will stay dry for the foreseeable with a heat reload from as early as Thursday. 30c (86f) is on the cards for a week or so thereafter. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Was supposed to be 22-25C all this week but look how much it change at the very short term never mind the mid to long term.  I think this is the habit that will keep going until summer is out.  Today actually I felt pleasant and allow me to do the packing for moving to Lower Stoke, Kent possible next week which might be during the heatwave.  No date fixed but with no rain for foreseeable allow us to move without getting wet.

Rob K
17 July 2018 10:40:02

GFS 6Z op run is certainly not having any of this heatwave nonsense! Return of the dreaded green blob.


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Jiries
17 July 2018 10:53:41

GFS 6Z op run is certainly not having any of this heatwave nonsense! Return of the dreaded green blob.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

06z look very nice and still going for very warm hot weekend as other recent hot weekend and later on the worse charts are in FI as usual,  Remember they show the bad charts for 21st for few days now is pushed forward to 25th so that likely to be pushed forward again.  The dates they tried to bring the unsettled weather was on first few days of July, then 15th , 17th, 19th, 21st and now 25th.

moomin75
17 July 2018 11:13:52

GFS 6Z op run is certainly not having any of this heatwave nonsense! Return of the dreaded green blob.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yep. The deluge and breakdown is back on. I'll get my Ark ready.


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Downpour
17 July 2018 11:26:31

Yep. The deluge and breakdown is back on. I'll get my Ark ready.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

You have been saying that all summer. You know it's good summer when certain members are looking for breakdowns at 8-10 day range. 


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Col
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17 July 2018 11:26:39

Yep. The deluge and breakdown is back on. I'll get my Ark ready.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Is that more 'reverse psychology'? It won't work if everybody knows you're doing it!


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moomin75
17 July 2018 11:27:59

 

Is that more 'reverse psychology'? It won't work if everybody knows you're doing it!

Originally Posted by: Col 

Was very much tongue in cheek yes. 😂😂 But will get my Ark ready just in case.


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Brian Gaze
17 July 2018 12:17:34

Peak heat next week? Looks very possible.


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Gavin D
17 July 2018 12:38:17
Met office update today says hot or very hot in the SE on the mid-range update
Jiries
17 July 2018 12:50:30

Peak heat next week? Looks very possible.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

So today would be the last coolest day and even now 26.4C here felt cool after the 28-32C heat recently.  Mean I would be recording over 80F for 2 weeks from the graph above and perhaps low  to mid 90's for couple of days on the peak.  I think 35C would be the likely outcome as we got the perfect ingredients in place.

White Meadows
17 July 2018 12:51:01

Met office update today says hot or very hot in the SE on the mid-range update

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

‘very hot’ ... I haven’t seen that terminology before. I notice it’s also used in the long ranger. I wonder what values that translates to? 33-35 ...35-38... 40+?!!

They must have a reinforced signal for the furnace. 

I expect hosepipe bans to move in to some central counties later on, perhaps even further south. 

TimS
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17 July 2018 12:59:35
We’re still generally following the 4 upgrades then 4 downgrades routine, with the slight exception that yesterday’s 12z was a big downgrade followed by a slight upgrade at 18z. But so far 00z and 06z are down (looking at the ensembles, particularly 06z) so I’m guessing today’s remaining two will go downhill a bit.

Then tomorrow is upgrade day again.

ECM has pulled back from the furnace. Closer to GFS now.

At least this Friday doesn’t look so wet anymore, at least not in the U.K. (my French place is getting 50mm in 3 hours according to 06z).


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17 July 2018 13:01:23

‘very hot’ ... I haven’t seen that terminology before. I notice it’s also used in the long ranger. I wonder what values that translates to? 33-35 ...35-38... 40+?!!

They must have a reinforced signal for the furnace. 

I expect hosepipe bans to move in to some central counties later on, perhaps even further south. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard them refer to “very hot“ as meaning 34C+. (hot = 28C+, something most countries would laugh at).


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Hungry Tiger
17 July 2018 13:08:29

I cant believe the output I'm seeing.

If I have this correct (ECM biased) it's now looking likely that down here many parts will stay dry for the foreseeable with a heat reload from as early as Thursday. 30c (86f) is on the cards for a week or so thereafter. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

I am sure that some places will get a 35+ before the end of what is now an incredible summer. There's still 6 weeks of summer left and plenty of time for many long standing records too be broken.

 


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TimS
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17 July 2018 16:36:52
Not so quick. As usual people are busy jinxing is into a washout August. Dartboard low and green blob next week on GFS 12z.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
superteacher
17 July 2018 16:42:30

Not so quick. As usual people are busy jinxing is into a washout August. Dartboard low and green blob next week on GFS 12z.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 

Yea, end of next week. Deep FI. So won’t happen.  But you know thst.

TimS
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17 July 2018 16:50:05

Yea, end of next week. Deep FI. So won’t happen.  But you know thst.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

All talk of 35C is not just FI, it’s speculation about what a future FI might be. If 204 hours is too far out to predict a depression then predicting 35C is a step beyond.


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moomin75
17 July 2018 16:50:55

Not so quick. As usual people are busy jinxing is into a washout August. Dartboard low and green blob next week on GFS 12z.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Yes two poor GFS runs in a row and a significant breakdown again being shown. Will it come off this time? Who knows, but there's every chance. If we start developing a trend we can probably wave goodbye to a decent August.

UKMO also seems to be becoming more progressive and backing GFS to an extent and GEM isn't great either. 

All eyes on the ECM now. If that backs off, we are heading towards a bit of agreement about a final breakdown.

Just as UKMO LRF mentions hot or very hot. You couldn't make it up.


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Shropshire
17 July 2018 16:54:07

Yes two poor GFS runs in a row and a significant breakdown again being shown. Will it come off this time? Who knows, but there's every chance. If we start developing a trend we can probably wave goodbye to a decent August.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Yes becoming cool and quite wet for Western areas from next Tuesday, a strong signal now for the PFJ to push South.


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TimS
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17 July 2018 16:57:03
Poor GEM and somewhat worse UKMO than this morning.

I expect one more downgrade this evening for 18z (and a downgrade on this evebing’s ECM), then a day of improvements tomorrow.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
superteacher
17 July 2018 16:57:21
The last 2 posts are so pathetic it’s laughable.

Moomin you should know better to call a poor August with no evidence. Unless you have some evidence?

Same people were writing off this week as a write off saying summer was over.

moomin75
17 July 2018 17:02:19

The last 2 posts are so pathetic it’s laughable.
Moomin you should know better to call a poor August with no evidence. Unless you have some evidence?
Same people were writing off this week as a write off saying summer was over.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

Did I personally write off August then? I think you will find I was commenting on considerably worse charts from 3 of the big 4 and then said IF ECM starts to backtrack we could start thinking about a final breakdown.

It's going to happen sooner or later. Forgive me for commenting on the models in the model thread.


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KevBrads1
17 July 2018 17:03:35

Last Tuesday's GFS 12z run for today

 

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