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Rob K
10 July 2018 13:27:41

You can see the ex cyclone here. Well out of the way.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU12_144_1.png

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

That's showing yesterday's 12Z.

It's a bit closer on the 0Z, but still some way to the north, and drags up some quite warm upper air, 14C on the south coast.

 


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David M Porter
10 July 2018 15:19:25

 

Looks like a massive change on the way.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Based on one GFS 06z run, one of the GFS runs which I think many people consider to be among the less reliable of the four daily op runs? Hmmm.


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Tractor Boy
10 July 2018 15:26:15

Bleugh.

The Liverpool GEFS are very spikey

 

That's a horrible chart. If it comes to pass, we can write off the rest of summer for NW England at least (bizarrely, it's far wetter than either Belfast or Glasgow... the driest place in the UK on that run would be Plymouth - just as bizarre)

Where's that bloody easterly flow gone? Perfect conditions.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

I've never before noticed the daily variation in 850hPa temps. Is this caused by diurnal heating of the layer that high up?

 

 


Dave

Farndale, North York Moors

golfingmad
10 July 2018 15:39:49

 

Based on one GFS 06z run, one of the GFS runs which I think many people consider to be among the less reliable of the four daily op runs? Hmmm.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Agreed. Only when the main models are in agreement and inside T120 will I take any 'change' more seriously.

 


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TimS
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10 July 2018 16:34:34
People were feeling pretty confident of the Beast from the East back in Feb when it was a week off. I don’t see why the objections to increasing evidence that the dry spell will break early next week (that’s not far off at all), other than a wish for it not to be true.

It might not happen - things can change even this late in the day - but this evening GFS, UKMO and GEM all show variations on the same thing: a switch in the hemisphere-wide pattern of ridges and troughs which once established, can be hard to shift.


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SJV
10 July 2018 16:36:11

 

Agreed. Only when the main models are in agreement and inside T120 will I take any 'change' more seriously.

 

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

Yes far too many swigging the drama juice when it's just one run from a notoriously progressive model. A change is on the way, but how pronounced and long-lasting that change will be is yet to be determined. To write off summer is a bit much 

golfingmad
10 July 2018 16:47:03

 

Yes far too many swigging the drama juice when it's just one run from a notoriously progressive model. A change is on the way, but how pronounced and long-lasting that change will be is yet to be determined. To write off summer is a bit much 

Originally Posted by: SJV 

It's also worth pointing out that a change from the current set-up may not necessarily lead to significantly cooler conditions. Low pressure positioned to the west may bring rain but it could also push warmer air from the south leading to 'plume' like hot spells. So we could be in a transition from warm and dry to warm and wet. The north and west, previously the driest of the areas in this recent warm spell, may get most of this rain, whereas the south and east may get the drier and warmer temps. Today's GFS12z run actually suggests a classic example out in T264!

Either way, whatever the outcome, summer isn't over yet. We would be very unlucky to get a summer of 'two halves', although I would be the first to admit that such an outcome is not out of the question. 

ECM run this evening will be interesting.

 


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Arcus
10 July 2018 16:57:27

I suspect of greater concern would be the high pressure over Scandi/N Europe retreating eastward with LP taking up residence in its wake, if it's a continuation of prolonged settled weather you're after.

One of the main features of our prolonged dry/warm spell has been the top-up ridging from Azores into Scandi. If that breaks down then we're back to looking for Azores ridging over the UK with LP to the west following on, which whilst it would tend to be more transitory in nature would might offer more extreme plume heat, with the traditional thundery breakdown to follow.

 

EDIT: and quite well illustrated by the 12z Op in the longer term:


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speckledjim
10 July 2018 17:03:54

Bleugh.

The Liverpool GEFS are very spikey

 

That's a horrible chart. If it comes to pass, we can write off the rest of summer for NW England at least (bizarrely, it's far wetter than either Belfast or Glasgow... the driest place in the UK on that run would be Plymouth - just as bizarre)

Where's that bloody easterly flow gone? Perfect conditions.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

How can you write off the rest of summer based on one chart up to 25th July? That makes zero sense


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superteacher
10 July 2018 17:33:49

People were feeling pretty confident of the Beast from the East back in Feb when it was a week off. I don’t see why the objections to increasing evidence that the dry spell will break early next week (that’s not far off at all), other than a wish for it not to be true.

It might not happen - things can change even this late in the day - but this evening GFS, UKMO and GEM all show variations on the same thing: a switch in the hemisphere-wide pattern of ridges and troughs which once established, can be hard to shift.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

The Beast From the East was a rare beast - it had virtual cross model agreement at T120 and remained so down to T0. There was also very little inter run variance. With this set up, there is model divergence at T96. The models are dealing with a very complex set up. Of course it will possibly turn less settled, but even thst is not totally sorted yet. The longer term signals don’t support a significant unsettled spell.

Gusty
10 July 2018 20:26:45

We need to be mindful that this new 'relatively more unsettled' pattern could bring with it the possibility of injections of very warm and relatively moist airmasses courtesy of plumes from the S or SW or SE.

Those thinking that the pattern change will result in lower temperatures may need to adjust expectations.

A CET of close to 20c is still a possibility thanks to warm nights keeping the current high value well bolstered.  

We may lose the 28c day and 13c nights in favour of something more like 25c days and 17c nights. 


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Hungry Tiger
10 July 2018 20:29:42

We need to be mindful that this new 'relatively more unsettled' pattern could bring with it the possibility of injections of very warm and relatively moist airmasses courtesy of plumes from the S or SW or SE.

Those thinking that the pattern change will result in lower temperatures may need to adjust expectations.

A CET of close to 20c is still a possibility thanks to warm nights keeping it well bolstered.  

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


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golfingmad
10 July 2018 20:43:30

Latest ECM still holding firm with a flabby set-up before high pressure reasserts. GFS is still bent on a full breakdown with a nasty resolution in FI. If that came off you may as well cancel the school holidays.

I suspect something between the two may be the resolution. Low pressure parked out west pushing warm air from a southerly quadrant. This could make the second half of July very interesting!

 


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Gusty
10 July 2018 20:48:23

Latest ECM still holding firm with a flabby set-up before high pressure reasserts. GFS is still bent on a full breakdown with a nasty resolution in FI. If that came off you may as well cancel the school holidays.

I suspect something between the two may be the resolution. Low pressure parked out west pushing warm air from a southerly quadrant. This could make the second half of July very interesting!

 

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

That's my take on things. A half way house would put the all time monthly CET record of 19.7c in jeopardy. 


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Super Cell
10 July 2018 20:49:49

 

 

How can you write off the rest of summer based on one chart up to 25th July? That makes zero sense

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

That's what I wondered. Thought I must be missing something.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
10 July 2018 21:05:38

Through the Magical Kingdom of the UK, no breakdown from North Atlantic Low Pressure is currently being forecasted.

The 12z ECMWF, UKMO and GFS back up continued UK Europe Continental Dry very warm or warm and sunny and hot weather conditions with some cloudiness as well at times, light calm or breezy winds from Continent.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

Stolen Snowman
10 July 2018 21:17:07

 

The Beast From the East was a rare beast - it had virtual cross model agreement at T120 and remained so down to T0. There was also very little inter run variance. With this set up, there is model divergence at T96. The models are dealing with a very complex set up. Of course it will possibly turn less settled, but even thst is not totally sorted yet. The longer term signals don’t support a significant unsettled spell.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 

It’s been interesting over the last few days reading thoughts on here compared to the Met Office forecast. 

The models have seemed less than certain of a breakdown yet the MO have remained resolute, upgrading this tonight with a statement calling time on this fine spell.


Statistics prove that the period just after records began witnessed some of the most extreme weather ever recorded. Records were being broken on a frequency that has not been repeated since.

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White Meadows
10 July 2018 21:38:11

 

It’s been interesting over the last few days reading thoughts on here compared to the Met Office forecast. 

The models have seemed less than certain of a breakdown yet the MO have remained resolute, upgrading this tonight with a statement calling time on this fine spell. 

Originally Posted by: Stolen Snowman 

no, they haven’t. Apart from the far north west, the majority will see a continuation of above average temps, fine & dry spells well into August. In fact, as far as the forecasts go there is no mention of any notable unsettled period. 

TimS
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11 July 2018 06:26:07
The ECM vs North America stand off continues this morning: ECM seems to be wanting to build pressure early next week still; GFS and GEM having none of it, although still some hot weather until Monday but then letting in the North Westerlies.

The difference seems to be to our North East, and the degree to which low pressure across the Baltic and Poland extends our way and pushes HP over into arctic Russia.


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Solar Cycles
11 July 2018 07:32:52

The ECM vs North America stand off continues this morning: ECM seems to be wanting to build pressure early next week still; GFS and GEM having none of it, although still some hot weather until Monday but then letting in the North Westerlies.

The difference seems to be to our North East, and the degree to which low pressure across the Baltic and Poland extends our way and pushes HP over into arctic Russia.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

The old adage of being a middle ground between them could be played out next week.🙂 

An attempted breakdown next week could well be on the cards but how far SE and for how long is pretty much up in the air.

Joe Bloggs
11 July 2018 07:42:31

Morning all.

Across the big three we seem to have taken a step back from anything too unsettled.

For the majority I see generally high pressure driven weather continuing well into next week. Anything especially unsettled is pushed right back into the depths of FI.

Happy with the trends this morning. If nothing else we are about to treated to yet another warm and sunny weekend for most. 

Stolen Snowman
11 July 2018 08:35:34

 

no, they haven’t. Apart from the far north west, the majority will see a continuation of above average temps, fine & dry spells well into August. In fact, as far as the forecasts go there is no mention of any notable unsettled period. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Time will tell I guess.

UK Outlook for Sunday 15 Jul 2018 to Tuesday 24 Jul 2018:

Following the remarkable spell of dry, fine and very warm weather, changes are expected at the start of this period.


Statistics prove that the period just after records began witnessed some of the most extreme weather ever recorded. Records were being broken on a frequency that has not been repeated since.

Posting live from a pub somewhere in Burton upon Trent

Sevendust
11 July 2018 09:22:35

 

Time will tell I guess.

UK Outlook for Sunday 15 Jul 2018 to Tuesday 24 Jul 2018:

Following the remarkable spell of dry, fine and very warm weather, changes are expected at the start of this period.

Originally Posted by: Stolen Snowman 

For the south it will continue warm or very warm in the next 10 days but with a growing threat of showers and storms. Fww longer term there is a mix of messages which would, at worst, create a standard summer pattern of LP to the NW and Atlantic influence. As always that would be poorest for the NW whereas the SE would have reasonable weather interspersed with occasional fronts

 

Rob K
11 July 2018 09:52:00
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

The 17th now seems to have firmed up as the point at which the tight clustering of fine weather breaks down into uncertainty. However to say that the weather will also break down at this stage seems premature. I would expect there will be at least a blip in the settled spell early next week, but beyond that it would be a brave person to call the rest of the month!


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sizzle
11 July 2018 10:21:40

Apparently we are in for some sort of breakdown next week depending on which angle storm chris comes in a..t tho the south should stay warm/very warm/average temps.. with hopefully some rain. till then enjoy the up coming hot temps that  starts again from tomorrow. and enjoy the rest of the WORLD CUP.....ITS COMING HOME.

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