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Quantum
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:35:19 PM
The Serbian model is very similar (cold) to the ECMWF if that counts for anything:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=irie&var=1&run=12&time=180&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Ally Pally Snowman
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:43:54 PM
Lol, you can't make this up,  just when all hope was lost the ECM produces a brutally cold Beast.
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CField
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:48:13 PM

Lol, you can't make this up,  just when all hope was lost the ECM produces a brutally cold Beast.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Low heading for the Alps...


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nsrobins
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:49:11 PM
Oh ECM - you little tease 😉
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David M Porter
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:52:18 PM

Lol, you can't make this up,  just when all hope was lost the ECM produces a brutally cold Beast.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

The past week has IMO seen the greatest amount of uncertainty in the models regarding the medium to longer term that I can recall for quite a while. Ever since an easterly was first suggested by the models a week or so ago, it has been an almost constant see-saw between colder runs and milder ones.

Until there is run-to-run consistency and cross-model support for one outcome or another going into next week, then all bets are still off as far as I'm concerned.


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jhall
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:53:53 PM
I'd almost given up hope of any serious cold, but the ECM 12Z OP at T+216 is tantalising. Was it Arthur Dent in HHG who said something like: "I can cope with the despair, it's the hope that I can't stand"?
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Ally Pally Snowman
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:55:31 PM

The past week has IMO seen the greatest amount of uncertainty in the models regarding the medium to longer term that I can recall for quite a while. Ever since an easterly was first suggested by the models a week or so ago, it has been an almost constant see-saw between colder runs and milder ones.

Until there is run-to-run consistency and cross-model support for one outcome or another going into next week, then all bets are still off as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Indeed , models are really struggling with this Easterly.  Anyone's guess what will actually happen. 


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Brian Gaze
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 7:08:26 PM
I'd not discount ECM but unless there's a shift in the ENS tonight or tomorrow morning I'll not be attaching much significance to it. 

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Jiries
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 7:11:11 PM

Indeed , models are really struggling with this Easterly.  Anyone's guess what will actually happen. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Just notice the models was only twice being correct without no back tracks, cancellations, or push backs was Dec 2010 and July 2022 40C heatwave which both was extremes sides apart from zonality which they are often correct but standard heatwaves or easterly they severely struggling and unreliable.

doctormog
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 7:12:45 PM

I'd not discount ECM but unless there's a shift in the ENS tonight or tomorrow morning I'll not be attaching much significance to it. 

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

So like the 12z GFS op run but on the cold side of the ensembles, suggesting the likely outcome is somewhere in between. That is assuming the 12z ECM op is indeed as much on the cold side of the ensemble suite as the GFS op run was on the warm side of its suite.


Chunky Pea
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 7:25:54 PM

So like the 12z GFS op run but on the cold side of the ensembles, suggesting the likely outcome is somewhere in between. That is assuming the 12z ECM op is indeed as much on the cold side of the ensemble suite as the GFS op run was on the warm side of its suite.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I think the ECM run this evening is what DEW would call 'jam tomorrow'. 


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East Galway, Ireland.

Hungry Tiger
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 8:51:44 PM

it been an ordeal with 5 straight days of no sun, lot of rain and less cold temps now outstayed it welcome,  I seen the ensembles and lot of outliers on the mild side so hope it will come off with further trending and light end of the tunnel to see this easterly curtains now.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

It's been incredible here. We're in day 43 of the new year and I reckon we've had nearly 30 overcast days. This past week has been hideous. The longest dull spell I remember was January 1996 with 26 consecutive dull days.  This year hasn't done that. But what we've had is 5 or 6 dull days then one or two ok ones then 4 or 5 dull ones then a nice one then 5 dank ones and so on. So  the  cumulative effect is even worse. Sunshine hours must be well down compared to normal and this time of year is rank even in a normal time.    🙂 


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Tuesday, February 11, 2025 8:58:45 PM
Maybe the train didn't derail at chipping Norton today?
Berkshire
Brian Gaze
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 9:04:49 PM
We were just talking about the SD. I can't recall an op run ever doing this before, although I'm sure it has happened. 

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jhall
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 9:11:16 PM

It's been incredible here. We're in day 43 of the new year and I reckon we've had nearly 30 overcast days. This past week has been hideous. The longest dull spell I remember was January 1996 with 26 consecutive dull days.  This year hasn't done that. But what we've had is 5 or 6 dull days then one or two ok ones then 4 or 5 dull ones then a nice one then 5 dank ones and so on. So  the  cumulative effect is even worse. Sunshine hours must be well down compared to normal and this time of year is rank even in a normal time.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

And it's not just been this calendar year. My impression is that November and December were also very short of sunshine. It's just as well that I've been taking vitamin D tablets. I think that yesterday, though not all that wet, was the dullest day of the whole winter here.


Cranleigh, Surrey
marcus72
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 9:16:39 PM

We were just talking about the SD. I can't recall an op run ever doing this before, although I'm sure it has happened. 

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

LOL.  Bank that one under "Can someone explain to me what an outlier is again?"


Langstone, SE Hampshire
ballamar
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 10:15:57 PM

LOL.  Bank that one under "Can someone explain to me what an outlier is again?"

Originally Posted by: marcus72 

Trendsetter 😂

Rob K
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 10:36:13 PM

It's been incredible here. We're in day 43 of the new year and I reckon we've had nearly 30 overcast days. This past week has been hideous. The longest dull spell I remember was January 1996 with 26 consecutive dull days.  This year hasn't done that. But what we've had is 5 or 6 dull days then one or two ok ones then 4 or 5 dull ones then a nice one then 5 dank ones and so on. So  the  cumulative effect is even worse. Sunshine hours must be well down compared to normal and this time of year is rank even in a normal time.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

And yet I read the other day that January was the fifth sunniest on record, according to the Met Office?

Not in the southeast though. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/sunny-and-cool-january-kicks-off-the-new-year

I appreciate that is off topic for this thread, so I will comment on the 18Z GFS, which is very much not following the daft ECM but is rather similar to the 12Z GFS.


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Chunky Pea
Tuesday, February 11, 2025 11:13:41 PM

It's been incredible here. We're in day 43 of the new year and I reckon we've had nearly 30 overcast days. This past week has been hideous. The longest dull spell I remember was January 1996 with 26 consecutive dull days.  This year hasn't done that. But what we've had is 5 or 6 dull days then one or two ok ones then 4 or 5 dull ones then a nice one then 5 dank ones and so on. So  the  cumulative effect is even worse. Sunshine hours must be well down compared to normal and this time of year is rank even in a normal time.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Dull weather dosen't bother me that much, but this spell seems particularlly bleak. Dank, chilly and looking and feeling 'Soviet'. I'd much prefer a repeat of the BftE type easterly than this drab offering. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

The Beast from the East
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:40:15 AM

 I will comment on the 18Z GFS, which is very much not following the daft ECM but is rather similar to the 12Z GFS.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

mini springwave from GFS now more likely. Obviously that ECM op was an attempt at trolling us. 


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The Beast from the East
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:43:50 AM

Dull weather dosen't bother me that much, but this spell seems particularlly bleak. Dank, chilly and looking and feeling 'Soviet'. I'd much prefer a repeat of the BftE type easterly than this drab offering. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

It never used to bother me, but now  I really do notice when there is no sunshine.  it probably is true that the older you get the more you feel the cold and crave sun and warmth and explains why so many older people from the UK move to Spain and older people in America flock to retire in Florida


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Quantum
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 6:25:49 AM
Can't believe this. So GFS seems to have slightly swung back. ICON more or less keeps the surface cold for eastern England throughout. UKMO derails but not until T+132h (still time for this to change). ECM also keeps the cold through to T+120h.

The slight delay means that we cannot say this has been resolved or is game over.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Quantum
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 7:03:45 AM
Despite the marginal uppers, the surface level airmass is going to rapidly cool starting tommorow for eastern areas. I'd expect any light precipitation to turn solid for eastern areas under very cold, dry air. Slightly warmer airmass on Friday as the winds turn more southerly but then seemingly colder again by Saturday. And this is even if the GFS ends up being right. Possibly the best chance of ice days all winter in the next few days.

 


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Jiries
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 7:25:58 AM

Despite the marginal uppers, the surface level airmass is going to rapidly cool starting tommorow for eastern areas. I'd expect any light precipitation to turn solid for eastern areas under very cold, dry air. Slightly warmer airmass on Friday as the winds turn more southerly but then seemingly colder again by Saturday. And this is even if the GFS ends up being right. Possibly the best chance of ice days all winter in the next few days.

 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Apps say no it from less cold temps returning to average with sunshine so likely game over from the start and London heading to average 9C as well.  Really want NW flow to be feature in Spring as is the only source to see sun.

Hippydave
Wednesday, February 12, 2025 7:32:06 AM
I think in the longer term we're now looking at whether we get any springlike weather, with a decently mild cluster in the GEFS and ECM ens suggesting IMBY at least temps towards 13c or so are a realistic outcome. Further North it tends towards mild but not excessively so, probably due to usual maritime air mass, whereas further south we're getting milder air dragged in from the SW around HP. Overall, GEFS is reasonably confident in a fairly stable pattern setting up of HP to the south and LPs rolling through.

One thing just to comment on I guess is the 17th Feb -> mild at 850 level in the south is overwhelmingly favoured in the GEFS, for the same day in the Aberdeen set uppers are mostly between -5c and -10c, with a 20 snow row. It's only a short blip but stood out and I guess suggests whilst the HP is in its death throes it may bring some transient interest to some. 

It's a shame from a cold POV things just didn't fall our way, either with the first easterly and no cold air to tap in to, or the attempted second which was held just to the east. I guess ECM op does try to recreate last nights solution but doesn't quite make it although I imagine we'd import some colder air for a time if it verified. 

From an amused observer point of view we got:-

* An easterly.

* Enough instability for precip for a large chunk of England and Wales (around 10-12mm or so in my back yard).

* Retrogression to Greenland with massive northern blocking prolonging the pattern. 

And the outcome was 2-4c, rain or at best sleet for most with any snow restricted to high ground with amounts minimal. 


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