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scillydave
20 December 2024 19:14:08

Ptb2 to the rescue! Lovely to see, even if it's just a figment of a computer's imagination.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=1&ech=192&mode=0&carte=0&ext=0 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

It's got it nailed I reckonđŸ€Ł


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Taylor1740
20 December 2024 19:20:41

Agree with the comments above, but would add that I'm in the 1% who would basically prefer anything to what GFS goes on to show.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Agreed completely, it's dank it's grey it's boring unseasonable and uninspiring. Having said that I would still take boring dry weather over boring and wet weather.


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Gandalf The White
20 December 2024 21:25:27

Agreed completely, it's dank it's grey it's boring unseasonable and uninspiring. Having said that I would still take boring dry weather over boring and wet weather.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

If the GFS 12z has it right then Xmas Day delivers a lot of sunshine for the heart of the country.


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tallyho_83
20 December 2024 22:09:47
Interesting developments for now strat- wise at 10hpa over the North Pole:

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20 December 2024 22:27:36

If the GFS 12z has it right then Xmas Day delivers a lot of sunshine for the heart of the country.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

MetO, ever the pessimist, has a 'nasty' HP (copyright Jiries) with solid overcast, even if mild.

Birmingham https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gcqdt4b2x#?date=2024-12-25

Cambridge https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/u1214b469#?date=2024-12-25

Sheffield https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gcqzwtdw7#?date=2024-12-25

NE England or SE Scotland may well be the place for Christmas sunshine

Newcastle https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gcybg0rne#?date=2024-12-25

Durham https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gcwzefp2c#?date=2024-12-25

St Andrews https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/forecast/gfn082k8z#?date=2024-12-25


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Gandalf The White
20 December 2024 22:44:44

Interesting developments for now strat- wise at 10hpa over the North Pole:

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Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Whist it shows the zonal winds slowing, the mean is only back to normal for early January and only a handful of ensemble members show a reversal.  It could of course all change, but as it stands it looks like ‘business as normal’.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



doctormog
20 December 2024 22:44:51

Interesting developments for now strat- wise at 10hpa over the North Pole:

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Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I’m not sure that marginally below average zonal winds (10 hPa) is that interesting to be honest.


tallyho_83
21 December 2024 01:41:15

I’m not sure that marginally below average zonal winds (10 hPa) is that interesting to be honest.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Interesting as in a few days ago the zonal winds at 10hpa over the North Pole were very positive for most of December into January but now they are average or just below which makes a change. Now they are very positive and are forecast to go record breakingly positive over Xmas period! 


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21 December 2024 08:50:17
WX outlook: currently near norm for W Europe but much above around Finland. In terms of absolute temps, Russia , Scandinavia and parts of C Europe below freezing though not as much as they should be. In week 2 the cold weather 'bulks up' over Russia; also something colder also approaches Britain from the north with the Highlands below freezing. Rain in week 1 for N Atlantic and E Mediterranean; in week 2 the latter declines but the N Atlantic moves south and becomes very heavy for W Britain.

GFS Op 00z - strong W-lies going round N-ly for the next few days. Then HP arises from the SW 1035mb Germany Christmas Day also covering most of Britain (but MetO forecasting a cloudy high, best chance of breaks in the NE). From Sun 29th the HP declines and LP Scandinavia brings cooler air southwards. For the following week Britain is sandwiched between LP W of Scotland which draws on the colder Scandinavian air for the north of Britain and HP over the Alps bringing in mild air to the south. A sharp N-S temp division and gales generally; eventually the cold air wins and LP is 990mb N England Mon 6th with NE-lies.

ECM - like GFS until after Sun 29th when a weaker HP just about hangs on, the cold air from Scandinavia only reaching the Shetlands.

GEFS - cold to Tue 24th, mild to Sun 29th, after which ens agreement breaks down. The mean is then near norm, op run is wildly warm at least in the S, plenty of cold outcomes to balance that. Some quite heavy rain from Mon 30th esp in W, mostly dry before that (small peaks in the next couple of days during the cold spell suggest wintry showers and snow cover for hills). The freezing weather over Scotland shown by WX looks more like a 50% chance on GEFS.


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Chichester 12m asl

21 December 2024 10:08:41
Quite a flip to cold in the met extended,cold with wintry hazards now first half of January.
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Brian Gaze
21 December 2024 10:57:43

Quite a flip to cold in the met extended,cold with wintry hazards now first half of January.

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

I think that is still yesterday's update. It'll be interesting to see where they go with it in the coming days. TBH, the ECM ENS don't look particularly encouraging for cold weather fans, at least not in the south of the UK.

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Gandalf The White
21 December 2024 11:14:54

I think that is still yesterday's update. It'll be interesting to see where they go with it in the coming days. TBH, the ECM ENS don't look particularly encouraging for cold weather fans, at least not in the south of the UK.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The GFS 06z op run has the recurring theme of colder air pushing south and the jet stream ends up split.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



David M Porter
21 December 2024 11:52:35
Has anyone here had any problems trying to download the model charts on Wetterzentrale this morning, by any chance? Normally they download no problem for me but I haven't been able to access any of them this morning, for some very odd reason.
Lenzie, Glasgow

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Chunky Pea
21 December 2024 12:14:05

Has anyone here had any problems trying to download the model charts on Wetterzentrale this morning, by any chance? Normally they download no problem for me but I haven't been able to access any of them this morning, for some very odd reason.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Yes. Same here. 'Page not found' on some of the charts. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

doctormog
21 December 2024 12:50:11

Has anyone here had any problems trying to download the model charts on Wetterzentrale this morning, by any chance? Normally they download no problem for me but I haven't been able to access any of them this morning, for some very odd reason.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Yes, there main site seems to be having issues, but this one seems okay (perhaps a different server). I don’t think it has all the up to date charts but does have the 06z GFS data: 

https://www.wzkarten3.de/en/topkarten.php?model=gfs&lid=OP 

Here is a random one: 😛

https://www.wzkarten3.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_366_1.png 

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Snow Hoper
21 December 2024 17:31:53

Has anyone here had any problems trying to download the model charts on Wetterzentrale this morning, by any chance? Normally they download no problem for me but I haven't been able to access any of them this morning, for some very odd reason.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Been having problems for weeks now. Seems more prevalent during the model release times.


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White Meadows
21 December 2024 20:58:35
Crikey what a boring Christmas period. ECM wants to introduce a rather fat Euroslug come January đŸ„č😖
CField
21 December 2024 23:17:39
Looking at the models the beginning of January looks set for a period of nasty storms to me. Be interesting after the Xmas low data season whether these will get picked up....
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Gandalf The White
21 December 2024 23:41:02

Looking at the models the beginning of January looks set for a period of nasty storms to me. Be interesting after the Xmas low data season whether these will get picked up....

Originally Posted by: CField 

In recent runs there’s something of a theme developing with cold Arctic air trying to push south but milder air pushing north, creating a classic battleground around the British Isles; the classic ‘forecaster’s nightmare’.  In global modelling terms the shifts of a few hundred miles from run to run are not significant, but obviously highly significant for a given location.  As you say, the interplay of the two air masses has the potential to produce cyclogenesis and maybe some more storms.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Ally Pally Snowman
22 December 2024 04:54:52
Finally some interesting charts for cold fans. The GFS 0z starts the year with an absolute snowmageddonfest for parts of the South.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=25&run=0&time=285&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref 


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Ally Pally Snowman
22 December 2024 05:21:35
Might even see a little bit of snow today if you are very lucky.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=53&run=0&time=14&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=1#mapref 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
22 December 2024 06:13:36
An upgrade on the 0Z, that's a rare find indeed!


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

nsrobins
22 December 2024 07:45:51
As interesting the NWP can be, it’s a fickle thing as most of you know so ‘snowmageddon’ one hour is daffodil weather the next.

There are no definitive signs, or rather no persistent signs of any nothing notably cold or wintry in the extended. 


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doctormog
22 December 2024 08:00:42

As interesting the NWP can be, it’s a fickle thing as most of you know so ‘snowmageddon’ one hour is daffodil weather the next.

There are no definitive signs, or rather no persistent signs of any nothing notably cold or wintry in the extended. 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

That is true, however there are recurring suggestions around or beyond the New Year period and have been for a few days now. It may come to nothing, but it has been modelled a few times especially on the GFS. I tend to keep an eye on the medium to long term ensemble range for trends, for example the t850hPA mean  value dipping below -5°C here ( which is why I’m watching that time period).

Meanwhile, in the more “realistic” and predictable time period we have storm Enol (courtesy of Meteo France but not in our naming cluster) bringing very windy conditions (and wintry showers to high ground in more western parts) today, then an exceptionally mild Christmas period.


Brian Gaze
22 December 2024 08:41:03
There may be something on offer in the north, but in the south it's looking poor for cold weather as we head into 2025. I noticed suggestions on X that the warming in Canada isn't factored into the model output, but that isn't how they work. They predicted the warming and so were developing evolutions of the weather patterns with it factored into their model of the atmosphere. 

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