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GezM
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Friday, July 7, 2023 7:33:32 AM
As the UK continues its descent into mid-summer mediocrity (at best), the heat is looking like building across much of Southern Europe. GFS models are showing widespread extreme temperatures in about a week's time across parts of Spain, Italy, Greece, Balkans and Turkey. Much of South Eastern Europe looks like joining in too, although less extreme. The latest GFS Ops run is at the top end but quite a long hot spell looks on the card in these regions. 
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Hungry Tiger
Friday, July 14, 2023 12:44:14 PM
There's some serious heat in southern Europe atm. Talk of over 45C in southern Italy.

 
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Roger Parsons
Sunday, July 16, 2023 3:17:24 PM
We heard from our Italian relations in Rome this week. 30degC indoors with air con + 2 fans!
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Bertwhistle
Monday, July 17, 2023 9:21:55 AM
My daughter's on holiday in Skiathos at the moment. Apart from sitting watching my phone constantly in a state of anxiety, I have noticed the weather. Seems it only made 28 yesterday with a breeze off the Aegean. Athens I think was 12 or so degrees hotter!
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Hungry Tiger
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 1:37:22 PM
Heatwave in Southern Europe expected to intensify.

:-( Talk of 48C in some places.
 
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John p
Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:39:07 AM
I’m far from a conspiracy theorist, but during this spell of ‘mid-40c’ temperatures, every time  I have checked current obs on the iPhone app, the temps have ranged from 28-38 (Spain / Sardinia)? 
There is also a bizarre trend for the media to report ground temperatures instead of 2m temperatures during this spell. 
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Taylor1740
Thursday, July 20, 2023 8:58:52 AM

I’m far from a conspiracy theorist, but during this spell of ‘mid-40c’ temperatures, every time  I have checked current obs on the iPhone app, the temps have ranged from 28-38 (Spain / Sardinia)? 
There is also a bizarre trend for the media to report ground temperatures instead of 2m temperatures during this spell. 

Originally Posted by: John p 


I've noticed that also, it seems like they are showing the temperatures at the very extreme end of the scale of what might be possible in a few isolated places rather than what will be experienced by the majority of people. When I've been checking the forecasts on the Met office app for example most places seem to be showing high 30s maybe low 40s, I don't think many places have been getting to the 46/47c they have been reporting.
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Thursday, July 20, 2023 10:38:48 AM
Yes I’ve noticed much the same. Go to this site https://www.ventusky.com/roma  and you’ll notice that the Med looks warm to very hot but when you look at the current temp for a location like Rome, it’s currently 33C. It has to be a reasonable accurate gauge because when you look at the UK you'll notice the current temps are near enough correct at least for my location, which is about 19C as I type.

It’s quite a localised area in the deep reds as I type and of course not in the hottest part of the day.
But I’ve struggled to find widespread places in the extreme upper temps reported recently when I’ve looked. So I can only guess that the media is picking the extremes and then generalising for the region. A layman from reading these reports could be forgiven for assuming everywhere in the Med is at the 47C mark. FWIW Sicily seems to be centre of the hot spot right now.
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Retron
Thursday, July 20, 2023 10:53:19 AM
FWIW, the heat has moved east again - the media are always a day or two out of date.
 
There are some 40s around in Italy at the moment,

https://www.xcweather.co.uk/IT/observations

and the  forecast for Sicily is about as hot as you'll ever see in Europe:

https://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/sigonella 

The really extreme heat is not geographically widespread in Europe at the moment though.
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Hungry Tiger
Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:34:14 PM

FWIW, the heat has moved east again - the media are always a day or two out of date.
 
There are some 40s around in Italy at the moment,

https://www.xcweather.co.uk/IT/observations

and the  forecast for Sicily is about as hot as you'll ever see in Europe:

https://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/sigonella 

The really extreme heat is not geographically widespread in Europe at the moment though.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



42.9C in Rome.

 
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doctormog
Thursday, July 20, 2023 2:42:21 PM

42.9C in Rome.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



It was 35°C the last time I checked?
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Tim A
Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:02:33 PM

I’m far from a conspiracy theorist, but during this spell of ‘mid-40c’ temperatures, every time  I have checked current obs on the iPhone app, the temps have ranged from 28-38 (Spain / Sardinia)? 
There is also a bizarre trend for the media to report ground temperatures instead of 2m temperatures during this spell. 

Originally Posted by: John p 



Seen a few articles both in BBC, The Times and others about "Should I cancel my holiday?".   Nobody really said "No don't be silly. " 
Reality is that if you are staying in most coastal location (as many people will be), the heat is much moderated by the sea so in most cases people shouldn't be getting that worried.  The articles could do to state that. 

I am going to Florence and Pisa in August and would like it to be a bit cooler though as they are inland, especially Florence.  But looking at some records,  the Max has been 38c in Florence and 34C in Pisa this July (and west of Pisa on the coast a bit cooler I imagine), which is lower than I thought, i would have thought it would have been in the low 40's. 
 
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Retron
Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:42:01 PM

the Max has been 38c in Florence and 34C in Pisa this July
 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Back around 1991 I went on holiday to Rome, Florence and Sorrento, during the school holidays (as I was only 11). It was 38 in Rome, 37 in Florence and stinkingly humid too. I know we went to the Colosseum, the Forum and Pompeii, but all I remember was all of us sweating buckets... most unpleasant.

Sorrento sucked, but that wasn't because of the weather, rather the crappy Hotel Bristol. (Singing waiters, inedible food, and my single room through a tunnel in an annex with an elephant-footed woman stomping around all night every night above me... oh, and the view was of a sheer cliff face around a foot away from the window.)

The wise have always gone to the Med in May, it's never a good idea to visit those places in July and August unless you have a very high heat/humidity tolerance!
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Tim A
Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:51:49 PM

Back around 1991 I went on holiday to Rome, Florence and Sorrento, during the school holidays (as I was only 11). It was 38 in Rome, 37 in Florence and stinkingly humid too. I know we went to the Colosseum, the Forum and Pompeii, but all I remember was all of us sweating buckets... most unpleasant.

Sorrento sucked, but that wasn't because of the weather, rather the crappy Hotel Bristol. (Singing waiters, inedible food, and my single room through a tunnel in an annex with an elephant-footed woman stomping around all night every night above me... oh, and the view was of a sheer cliff face around a foot away from the window.)

The wise have always gone to the Med in May, it's never a good idea to visit those places in July and August unless you have a very high heat/humidity tolerance!

Originally Posted by: Retron 



September is nice too, with the less intense sun but almost guaranteed warmth.  Went to Rome/Sorrento about 10 years ago in September and it was very pleasant for both beach and sightseeing. 

Yes July/August less than ideal especially these days, but first year I have through necessity had to go in the school holidays  having a school aged child and wanting to go away for more than a week.
 
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Retron
Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:57:07 PM

September is nice too, with the less intense sun but almost guaranteed warmth.  Went to Rome/Sorrento about 10 years ago in September and it was very pleasant for both beach and sightseeing. 

Yes July/August less than ideal especially these days, but first year I have through necessity had to go in the school holidays  having a school aged child and wanting to go away for more than a week.
 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Yes, September would be a fair bit mellower. Early August, as I think it was when we went, was stifling. Good luck joining the hordes, I think most of us have been there either as a kid (in my case) or as parents! 
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Saint Snow
Thursday, July 20, 2023 4:07:47 PM

September is nice too, with the less intense sun but almost guaranteed warmth.  Went to Rome/Sorrento about 10 years ago in September and it was very pleasant for both beach and sightseeing. 

Yes July/August less than ideal especially these days, but first year I have through necessity had to go in the school holidays  having a school aged child and wanting to go away for more than a week.
 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 




We've generally favoured May/early June for Med holidays and, whenever we've had to holiday in the summer holidays, we've gone Canaries. It's rarely outside of 27-33c, and always a breeze.

 

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Friday, July 21, 2023 6:40:41 AM
I went to Turkey in mid February. Interesting as the interior was snowbound as seen from a train but the coastal areas beautiful and springlike with flowers one associates with the UK in April. Comfortable walking weather and the Classical ruins outstanding. Myra (Lycia) was a highlight of course. And the crowds non existent. Can't understand why people visit in the heat of the summer apart from it’s the only practical time for many.
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ozone_aurora
Friday, July 21, 2023 8:42:52 AM

September is nice too, with the less intense sun but almost guaranteed warmth.  Went to Rome/Sorrento about 10 years ago in September and it was very pleasant for both beach and sightseeing. 

Yes July/August less than ideal especially these days, but first year I have through necessity had to go in the school holidays  having a school aged child and wanting to go away for more than a week.
 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Yes it is, normally.

There is also an increase risk of thunderstorms later in the month (and especially October) which can be really fun to watch/experience, although they can be a hit or a miss.
pdazz
Sunday, July 23, 2023 6:21:57 PM
so sad to see the problems Europe are having to deal with at the moment, just wish I could send some of our weather their way.
Rob K
Wednesday, August 2, 2023 10:06:47 AM
I see the conspiracy theorists on Twitter have now decided that the temperatures being reported in southern Europe last month were ground temperatures and it was actually much cooler.
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Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:35:04 PM
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After the recent & near-term break that I imagine was welcomed by many on the mainland, looks to be an impressively hot airmass taking shape across south-western Europe next Wed-Fri. Remains to be seen how that moves about and to what extent the UK becomes directly involved.
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Retron
Wednesday, August 9, 2023 5:44:55 PM
While I'll be moaning about temperatures in the high 20s tomorrow onwards, spare a thought for those in Seville. The firestorm conditions are back! From the 12z GFS today, for posterity - this shows 4% RH!

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47C, dew of -3 and a gusty westerly wind. Awful, deadly conditions.



 
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Hungry Tiger
Thursday, August 10, 2023 1:29:37 PM

While I'll be moaning about temperatures in the high 20s tomorrow onwards, spare a thought for those in Seville. The firestorm conditions are back! From the 12z GFS today, for posterity - this shows 4% RH!

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47C, dew of -3 and a gusty westerly wind. Awful, deadly conditions.



 

Originally Posted by: Retron 



My God - that's lethal. 😞
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Crepuscular Ray
Sunday, September 3, 2023 3:34:33 PM
I'm in Pisa-Florence-Siena area for 2 weeks and although I missed the 40 C experience it's warmed up nicely again. 30 C yesterday and 33 C today
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Sunday, September 3, 2023 5:44:36 PM

I'm in Pisa-Florence-Siena area for 2 weeks and although I missed the 40 C experience it's warmed up nicely again. 30 C yesterday and 33 C today

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 



Even here in Edinburgh, we've had temperatures of over 24°C at the botanic gardens with blazing sunshine, making it actually hotter here today than what it was at any point in time during the entire month of August.

It's therefore just a shame that you're out of the country altogether just now and missing out on that although I hope that are enjoying your time away anyway.
 
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